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lvl5 missions available only for... pirates\KoS players?
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Havriil
Iron Cross Battalion
#1 - 2014-04-19 22:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Havriil
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It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues?
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#2 - 2014-04-19 22:20:59 UTC
All lvl-5 agents are in Low sec but the corporation is still dependent on who you have the standings to get the missions from. You don't have to join any corp to get lvl 5 missions you just need the standings to get the agent to talk to you.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Seraphiel Angelica
Advanced Engineering and Research Division
#3 - 2014-04-19 22:21:51 UTC
That is the way it is.

You can try to do them without being in the controlling pirate corperation/alliance, but they will most likely hunt your ass down.

Some might accept a bribe, but I doubt that would involve protection of your ship while you are on your mission.

My best suggestion, join the pirate corp, they are not all as bad as they appear to be.. They are just players there likes to pvp.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4 - 2014-04-20 02:28:26 UTC
Havriil wrote:
Subj.

It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues?


In the case of the agent I used to use, due to ccp nerfing it only triggers into 3 systems, and the pop is very low so I'd probably store 2 dominixes in each system and use a covops on each character to gate and fetch the missions, keep an eye on d-scan for probes and consider any d-scan hit for 8 probes as "mission bookmark burned", and cancel the mission.

There are lots of other options for limiting undock and gate risk but you will have watch d-scan most of the time. What you can't do is mission obliviously in a faction battleship.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-04-20 05:12:04 UTC
Havriil wrote:
Subj.

It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues?

Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP
Havriil
Iron Cross Battalion
#6 - 2014-04-20 07:52:47 UTC
IIshira wrote:

Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP


Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-04-20 07:59:19 UTC
Havriil wrote:
IIshira wrote:

Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP


Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k.


Bigger risk, bigger reward.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#8 - 2014-04-20 08:07:06 UTC
Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Garak n00biachi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-04-20 14:00:28 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes.


If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard....
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-04-20 14:26:20 UTC
Havriil wrote:
IIshira wrote:

Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP


Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k.

Go for it and find out. Longer mission completion times, wasting time hiding from pirates and spending ISK to replace ships will more than make up for any extra reward. Maybe if you can make friends with the locals but I don't see why would they benefit from you in their system.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#11 - 2014-04-20 18:21:21 UTC
Garak n00biachi wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes.


If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard....




So CCP has specifically removed these missions from highsec because?




Herp a ******* derp it's a conspiracy
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-04-20 19:11:39 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Garak n00biachi wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes.


If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard....




So CCP has specifically removed these missions from highsec because?


Herp a ******* derp it's a conspiracy

Partly because people whined and partly because they felt it was OP. Risk vs reward and all. The problem is they only pay slightly more per hour and the risk is significantly higher.
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-04-21 03:48:52 UTC
Havriil wrote:
Subj.

It seems that all lvl5 agents' hubs are controlled by pirate corporations mostly. What if I don't want to join this kind of corporations because this playstyle doesn't fit for me? Maybe someone asked yourself same question and has found an answer? What ways to deal with this issues?


As someone who has been running L5s for years I can tell you that player pirates do not affect your ability to run L5s assuming that you are smart about it.

I have run L5s in Caldari/Gallente/Minmattar space (never bothered with Amarr, but I assume the same strat would work).
I have never belonged to the local pirate corp and am often on bad terms with them because I like to make fun of their fail gank/camp/cyno attemps.

1) Fly cheap. If you fly faction ships you are going to get hunted a lot. Fly T1 and most pirates won't bother hunting you.
2) Blitz missions. I fly a 3 domi + Auguror Fleet and complete missions in an average of 3 minutes on grid.
3) Add ECCM to your fit, it won't make you impossible to scan down but it will make it hard enough that you will know before they catch you
4) You better have a MWD and a T2 cloak on every ship that you don't want to loose.
5) Don't be a **** in local, although I often make fun a pirates when they fail camp/cyno.

Overall I complete about 7 missions per hour multiboxing 4 accounts.


Here are the fits that I run
[Dominix, L5]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Co-Processor II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Hobgoblin IIx5

Low Grade Ascendancy Set in slots 1-5
WS-615


[Augoror, L5]

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Reactor Control Unit II
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I

Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Civilian Blaster (Assign the drones to assist this ship and use blaster to target them)
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Egress Port Maximizer I
Medium Egress Port Maximizer I
Medium Egress Port Maximizer I

Low Grade Ascendancy Set in slots 1-5
WS-610


-FM
GreenSeed
#14 - 2014-04-21 16:35:22 UTC
first of all, doing lvl5s alone means you cant "do" them and you must blitz them. so pick your missions carefully and accept the blitzable ones, then do them in an AF or Itty

if instead you want to "do" them, then get more pilots, and fly a "**** off" doctrine, any t1 fleet with LOGI support can become too expensive to kill. harbingers, hurricanes, drakes, not to mention the retardedly op prophecy. just 4 passive prophecies, with acceptable skills, can do lvl5s spider tanking it, and any lowseccer that sees the possibility of 20 drones on grid with nav computers and omnilinks as support will never land on it.

or just stick to caracals/mallers/arbitrators or you can use HICs if you have the money/SP, cruisers work fine too, but the margin for error is lower and you will need two logis. (btw, there's no need for t2 logi, t1 works just fine.)

you will lose ships and pods if you are running them on a weekend, so plan accordingly. still, at the end of the day you will make a hefty profit.

btw, if you can get 2 or 3 other pilots to fly with you for lvl5s, then don't, and just go do exploration in lowsec, or NPC null. a lot more money and all the "solo" explorers are a bunch of cowards, half the sites you find you can just chase the runner off and take the loot. Twisted
Adamai
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-04-21 17:37:58 UTC
simple answer!!

build your own corporation moveinto that particular low sec and fight the pirates off so you can run those missions..

moaning and complaining about it is not how you play eve and no!! ccp will not make it so you can go do those missions on your own because you feel you need to.

im afraid this is the way of eve and you need to hone your own individual understanding of the game its players and what kind of mindset is required to succeed in the game.

success is not running level 5 missions and making boat loads of isk. success in eve is being able to control others. your either an empire care bear or a low sec freelancer or a null sec player.

there is no neutral entity! no one will give you instant friendship or ensure no one will kill you or destroy your stuff or hunt you or camp you in stations so you cannot play! this im afraid you have to sort out your self and the sooner you realize eve is about making friends and creating political allies the sooner you will start to enjoy the game more.

but i do have one tip for you!!

the amount of time it takes to run a lvl 5 mission!!! is not worth it.. you would make a boat load more isk by grinding level 4's safely. just take a step back and think of the pros and cons..

lvl 4 missions =

high sec
people cannot just kill you because they want to.
if you fit your ship right you wont die in the mission

this means all you can do is make money. i dont really see any cons to grinding level 4 missions other than it getting boreing.

lvl 5 missions =

the isk is only slightly better than lvl 4 but takes a long long long time to run. its practically impossible to solo in any reasonable amount of time. plus when you try them their is always a huge risk of pirates ganking your ass.. this is exactly why they base in these areas.. to solo a level 5 missions your ship needs to be significant and that is a pay day to all pirates they will make more isk from your death than you will from a lvl 5 misison as you will 9 times out of 10 not complete it. a lvl 5 m,ission requires a team fit to do them as quickly as possible before they can become a viable income source.

the risks are way way to much in comparison to level 4 missions. ccp will not put them in empire space. so might want to try and get over it as it will destroy your sole beating your self up over it. eve is about exploitation of others.

have fun and i hope you figure things out..:) if not then i hope i you enjoy your next game.
Adamai
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-04-21 17:44:16 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Havriil wrote:
IIshira wrote:

Do level 4 missions in highsec. If you want to risk getting blown up go to null. Lowsec is just for PVP


Why should I? I want work on a lvl5 agent and get 90k LP per mission, not 9k.


Bigger risk, bigger reward.



much much much bigger risk..
coca cola king
#17 - 2014-04-21 19:08:15 UTC
Yes，reintroduce L5 and capitals into hi sec please. I want more hi sec content.

Dinsdale Pirannha for [u]CSM[/u]. Ripard Teg for [u]CEO[/u] of [u]CCP[/u]. Grrrr [u]Goon[/u].
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2014-04-21 23:01:01 UTC
Level 5 missions are intended to be a resource worth fighting over, hence being lowsec based.

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Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot
Darwinism.
#19 - 2014-04-22 12:37:58 UTC
Adamai LOL you are so wrong.. When you control the area LVL 5s can be 4 or five times more profitable then lvl fours and the hole point to LVL 5s are to blitz them.. The money is in the LP.. Killing and looting the drone missions before the changes used to be worth it but it isnt anymore.. so blitz blitz blitz
Eurynome Mangeiri
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-04-22 14:00:28 UTC
Garak n00biachi wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Highsec, because of the limited opportunity for PVP, has lower rewards than low. One of the intended lower reward mechanisms is not giving out LVL5 missions, as with the blingy boats optimized for the enemy you are facing, lvl 5 missions could theoretically break the LP markets if allowed in HS, without any other changes.


If that were true CCP will be moving lvl5 agents back to highsec soon to to collapse the markets even more and force more people to pull out their eurocard\mastercard....

wait a year.....
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