Intergalactic Summit

1) Chimera

2) Another Chimera

3) Chimera and a Pheonix

4) Two more Chimeras

5) Seven Chimeras and a Wyvern

So to recap:

Caldari leviathan - splattered across Caldari Prime during the war.

One Pheonix, one Wyvern and twelve more Chimeras destroyed during this so-called "manhunt."

My question is this:

When Roden finally gets around to making up whatever excuse he wants to invade the Caldari State later this month, are they going to even have anything left to defend themselves with? They were already outnumbered from the get-go; only pure skill and determination has kept them alive this long. And while skill & determination are great, if there is one thing we Amarr understand is that there really is no substitute for overwhelming numbers.

Now they're down a titan and fourteen capital ships, plus who knows what else, all in under one year.

Maybe the Empire should start a "lend/lease" program for our ally? Bolster them back up to par until they can rebuild their fleet properly?

It's funny because you think the State has so few Capital ships.

It's funnier because you're trying to stir the pot with your assumption.

I giggled.

7/10

You know, I'm going to leave aside how unintentionally insulting your assessment of Caldari military readiness is and laugh at how insane this statement is.

If they knew the exact time and place the attack was happening, and what would be coming.

And if their forces weren't already so spread out because Provist derp.

And if the State wasn't in financial dismay.

The list goes on.

Take a look at the public blueprints for those ships, Pilot Luftschreck. The titan takes two months to build, the Wyvern one month, and the dreadnought and carrier both take two weeks. Those are time quotes for capsuleers who use installations not pre-designed explicitly for production of those ships.

Dedicated naval shipyards can cut the production time in half simply by being purpose-built. With a nearly constant supply of parts and supplies and crew coming from the most militarized nation-state in New Eden, these shipyards can pump out a new supercapital in a matter of weeks. Crewing them is another matter, mind you. Anyways, it's no wonder that losing a few capitals isn't something to cry bloody murder over.



As for the Third Battle of Caldari Prime, I understand how this can be confusing to a vast majority of capsuleers who don't understand CONCORD's cyno-jamming technology, so I will attempt to explain it in the simple terms I learned it through.

Every time a capital fleet is moved around New Eden's high-security systems, CONCORD knows about it. With a few exceptions, every single time a fleet has illegally jumped, it was during a glitch or outage with CONCORD's cyno-jamming. A vast majority of the time, legal high-sec jumps are scheduled and monitored by CONCORD. This is where it gets complicated, so I won't go into details of the mechanics. Some cases are more akin to bridge networks. Others use actual beacons. In rare cases, the jammers are deactivated to allow emergency jumps, such as for defensive actions. Unfortunately for the defender, removing the jamming allows the attackers to also jump in ships, so the opening window is kept purposefully brief.

During that brief window when the Federation Navy moved their capital fleet in, we were able to jump in our own. However, not all of our ships got through. This is normal for narrow-window bridging. It happens all the time to our own nullsec alliances when the cyno beacon won't last long. Some of the fleet gets left behind. We knew there would be an opening, but we did not know when. Unlike the Federation Fleet which was told the exact time to jump before they actually had to, we had to both detect and react to the opening.

Imagine trying to manually take a picture of a timed electrical arc. You know it's going to flash, but you have no idea exactly when, so you can only react as fast as you can recognize it, even if you had superhuman reflexes. A second camera is slaved to a computer to snap the photo at the exact moment the arc strikes. Which one of the two cameras do you think will get a picture of the arc, and which camera will get a picture of the aftereffects? The automatic one, or the manual one?

I hope that clears up the situation.



Oh, and, you are not the Amarr Empire, and we are not the Caldari State. Nothing you say will determine Imperial support. Nothing we say will determine the State's reply.

I Like where this thread is gouing. but in truth. I will have to Support Katrine in this.

-Scandoveski.

Well to be fair, the Imperial Navy is the largest homogeneous fighting force in New Eden.

Seems that despite the original poster believing they have the power to speak on behalf of their Empire (or we for our varying allegiances), there are a great many capsuleers with a sense of perspective and their place. Similarly, the OP's complete unfamiliarity or willful ignorance of modern military capabilities seems to be offset by the realism of her peers.

Maybe this thread isn't so bad after all.

I will give the Ammatar one point to her cause, though. If I were the State, I'd be very concerned about internal security. You got lucky that the Dragonaurs have alienated themselves from you and your enemies. If this happens with a group sympathetic to outside interests, with that sympathy reciprocated, the situation could escalate uncontrollably. Be vigilant.

Well Andreus, I guess that shows how little you really know about the Mandate, then.

One funny thing that happened a couple years back was a skirmish in Amamake. Not so unusual in itself perhaps, but a number of things made this one strange:

First, it took place in extremely low orbit over a colony called Pike's Landing. Gauntlet-run dreadnought OBs were carried out.

Second: Mordu's Legion were heavily involved - in fact, one of the Gauntlet-running dreads was taken down by a Legion Drake.

Third: The Ishukone Corporation deployed seven Wyverns to the battle. Including, I should point out, the newly-commissioned IWV Gariushi.

Ishukone was, at the time, a pariah corporation being actively marginalised by the Heth administration. D'you know that an executive order was actually in effect at the time, in which the CPD ordered the Science and Trade Institute not to accept Ishukone applicants?

So, the corporation which was at the time by far the smallest, weakest and most pressured Okusaika still managed to deploy seven Wyverns plus a full and appropriate support force including chimeras and phoenixes to a Minmatar system. I wouldn't extrapolate the small number of ships involved in this theft and manhunt into a judgement about the size of the Caldari Navy, pilots. If the State will happily spend hundreds of PLEX on the bounty, I think you can safely assume that they have ISK and resources aplenty.

The whole incident was brutally suppressed by the CPD, never mentioned by ACN, and for some reason never made the Scope feeds. I only found out about it via an infobroker in Rens three months after the fact. If anyone's interested in reviewing the files, I'll gladly put you in contact with her. It makes for interesting reading.