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Thoughts on this WH fit?

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JrLUK
Rogue Pinapples
#1 - 2014-04-21 01:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: JrLUK
It's late, I'm tired, but here we go.

Apparently when you say 'solo' on these forums, what that really means is your main ship + 3 alts. So I've given up looking for a true solo tengu fit and i will be running with an alt in a cloaky scanny frig. With possibly a beginner drake also fit with a cloak.

Both ships will be running sites, and running from any sign of PvP. We arent equipped for it so we shall be avoiding it like the plague.

The Tengu is my guristas killer, stats will be below:

Subs:
Electronic - Dissolution Sequencer
Defensive - warfare processor
Engineering - cap reservoir
Offensive - Accelerated ejection bay
Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Highs:
6 x HAM II
1 x Cloak

Mids:
1 x Faction MSB
1 x 10nm AB
1 x Invul
1 x EM passive hardener
1 x Faction Shield boost amp

Lows:
4 x Caldari Navy BCU

Now. This is a slightly altered version of my mission fit. I only plan on using it in C2 sites to begin with as im new to the WH thing. The warfare processor is to allow for the 7th high slot. The 2 faction boosters are there as i have a crystal set. This obviously isnt the most effeciant fit possible, but thats why im here.

Some Stats.

DPS @ 23Km . 821. 960ish overheated.
Resists: 62 - 86 - 79 - 65
Reps: 291/3s - usually much higher with the right subsystem
640 m/s with AB.

Now im no expert, but thats the fit. Whats wrong, whats not. Are hams the right choice?

You know the drill.

J

JrLUK: The oldest Noob in EvE. GTC's for Game time or Plex for cheap here: JrLUK's G2A

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-04-21 02:59:15 UTC
You should be able to solo... actually solo... C2 sites in a number of less expensive ships. Tengu will do fine. Also, with the mobile depot you should be able to do it with one character, one ship, two fits.

One more thing: don't bring the crystal clone. Bubbles happen in W space
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#3 - 2014-04-21 03:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Hey, you shouldn't run c2 sites. Especially if you end up finding them from highsec, other people can aswell.

With that, c2s connect to c1 and c3 (and c4) aswell if they got a static highsec, amongst those I can only suggest to run c1s and c3s ever so strongly over c2-anoms. c1-sites can make for crazy fast wreck-creation (which is certainly not what you're looking for regarding salvaging afterwards) and c3-sites already got valuable blue loot.

So, gear your tengu for c3-anoms right away to make decent cash. In times of mobile depots, solo'ing all the things in your tengu is better possile than ever before!

So, you need your regular fitted tengu, + a full rack of cargo expanders, + a full rack of warp core stabs, the scanning subsystem and the dissolutionsub, a fuel catalyst or grav capacitor and an interdiction nullifier, at least two mobile depots, A BOATLOAD OF AMMO and lastly, salvaging equipment. One or more mobile tractors might help. Maybe get another cloaky sub for scouting.

Equipped with that, you scout for a c3. You find those by looking for c2s with an O477 (c3) static. You can use wormhol.es to determine a system's static.

Then you move your cargo fitted tengu in there, dump your stuff on a depot and refit for sites. In anoms themselves, warp in, launch depot and start orbiting your depot. If something lands/decloaks next to you, refit nullification and WCS and warp off, cloak up, wait it out. Else, profit from acceptable ISK/hour in a c3 with a 500mil tengu and 50-100mil in deposited assets.

Scouting, salvaging, scanning, pve, hauling, you can do all those things with your tengu.

Quote:
[Tengu, lazy tengu, really really stable]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor


Even though it's quite stable, you should stay on the pretty safe side against incoming neuts. If you feel not quite safe yet, consider using another invuln/cap recharger instead of the painter.

Really proficient people though would laugh at this and downsize the tank and cap by a lot for more missile accuracy.


PS: Also use a cheap clone, not the crystal one. There will be someone tackling you eventually - it always happens eventually.
JrLUK
Rogue Pinapples
#4 - 2014-04-21 08:57:49 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Hey, you shouldn't run c2 sites. Especially if you end up finding them from highsec, other people can aswell.

With that, c2s connect to c1 and c3 (and c4) aswell if they got a static highsec, amongst those I can only suggest to run c1s and c3s ever so strongly over c2-anoms. c1-sites can make for crazy fast wreck-creation (which is certainly not what you're looking for regarding salvaging afterwards) and c3-sites already got valuable blue loot.

So, gear your tengu for c3-anoms right away to make decent cash. In times of mobile depots, solo'ing all the things in your tengu is better possile than ever before!

So, you need your regular fitted tengu, + a full rack of cargo expanders, + a full rack of warp core stabs, the scanning subsystem and the dissolutionsub, a fuel catalyst or grav capacitor and an interdiction nullifier, at least two mobile depots, A BOATLOAD OF AMMO and lastly, salvaging equipment. One or more mobile tractors might help. Maybe get another cloaky sub for scouting.

Equipped with that, you scout for a c3. You find those by looking for c2s with an O477 (c3) static. You can use wormhol.es to determine a system's static.

Then you move your cargo fitted tengu in there, dump your stuff on a depot and refit for sites. In anoms themselves, warp in, launch depot and start orbiting your depot. If something lands/decloaks next to you, refit nullification and WCS and warp off, cloak up, wait it out. Else, profit from acceptable ISK/hour in a c3 with a 500mil tengu and 50-100mil in deposited assets.

Scouting, salvaging, scanning, pve, hauling, you can do all those things with your tengu.

Quote:
[Tengu, lazy tengu, really really stable]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor


Even though it's quite stable, you should stay on the pretty safe side against incoming neuts. If you feel not quite safe yet, consider using another invuln/cap recharger instead of the painter.

Really proficient people though would laugh at this and downsize the tank and cap by a lot for more missile accuracy.


PS: Also use a cheap clone, not the crystal one. There will be someone tackling you eventually - it always happens eventually.


Praxis Ginimic wrote:

You should be able to solo... actually solo... C2 sites in a number of less expensive ships. Tengu will do fine. Also, with the mobile depot you should be able to do it with one character, one ship, two fits.

One more thing: don't bring the crystal clone. Bubbles happen in W space



Oh My Lord, 2 actually constructive comments! I didn't think it was possible! Thank you both for the advice, especially after my 3am ramblings.

A couple of things, what did you both think of the fit i posted? If i go HML's i lose about 35% of my DPS.
The crystal set is low grade and the Omega isn't actually implemented yet so I'm ok with the risk.

The mobile depot method, sounds good but isnt this a big 'come shoot me' sign on your head? I dont understand it fully as i've never run it before. So i fit my Tengu for cargo hold, bring everything i may ever need with me including the depot, i anchor the depot and put everything inside, changing my fit for damage. go do my business then come back and refitt for salvage?

Is there some sort of force field around it? you said if i get caught at it to just refit then fly away, is this even possible?

What should a lower skilled char thats joining me bring? He can fly a drake for damage or would he best be utilised in a dedicated cloaky salvage ship to speed up the method? I'll have an alt scanning and scouting all the sites and wh's so he wont be needed doing that.

J

JrLUK: The oldest Noob in EvE. GTC's for Game time or Plex for cheap here: JrLUK's G2A

Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-04-21 12:53:06 UTC
JrLUK wrote:
The mobile depot method, sounds good but isnt this a big 'come shoot me' sign on your head? I dont understand it fully as i've never run it before.


Yes. But you know what else is? A solo Tengu. You are going to get ganked, it's just a matter of when. C2s can easily be done in a Drake, albeit much slower.

As for your DPS, HAMs are not an option, there's too many Frigates, and you will get kited by the Battleships, who generally keep >50km between you and are also fairly fast.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-04-21 14:31:33 UTC
First and foremost it would help to understand the nature of your site running.

For example, many moons ago I would solo C3 sites in a Tengu. But i was living in the C3 at the time so my fit was based around the fact that I had a safe POS to warp back to (no need for cloak or probes).

That can be different from running sites in a system you don't live in.

Knowing which can help. I am guessing from your comments however you are looking at the latter.

If you want to go truly solo, it can be done, but I would definitely go the mobile depot route.

I would splurge on the "yurt" mobile depot as it is very very (very) hard to scan down. Bring a mobile depot, refit mods (yay refitting subs in space") with a cloaky scan fit as well as combat fit.

Honestly your fit is crap. Go with HML. The key benefit of the Tengu is range. C2-C4 can have spawns at a fair distance and you will be wasting lots of time burning into range. Yes you may lose a little DPS, but being able to apply immediately vs burning at a wave that spawned 90km away to get into range makes up for it. It also allows you to stay off the warp in beacon as well as distance for warpable wrecks (for safety). Drop the cloak. You can refit a cloak quickly if needed. By the same token if you are running C2 sites you can warp back to the HS WH and just bug out.

absolutely leave your crystal set at home. Most of the time if you get caught, a gank squad will get a hic to get your pod, even if they have to wait a minute to go get one. Running solo you will die eventually and you will likely lose your pod.

You talk about running the sites but how about making isk? The majority of C2 site value is from melted nanoribbons, more than the blue tags. Which means you need to salvage the wrecks after to make it even close to worth running.

If I were going to go truly solo I would do the following.

I would make 2 fits. One would be a scanning/salvaging fit (the scanning fit also has the bonuses for tractor beams). Depending on space you could also make it covert. Or just use a non covert cloak.

I would first make some good safe spots. I would drop my Yurt mobile depot at a safe and swap to my combat fit. I'm pretty sure you need a max prober to scan down a yurt depot (I never could on any of my scanners on the test server).

Go run sites. Refit for salvaging and get the isk.

If you get jumped you should be able to warp to your depot, quickly slap on a cloak, scoop it all and gtfo before you get probed and tackled.

Having a scan alt definitely helps as it negates the concern of carrying probes etc in case you lose your WH connection out.
JrLUK
Rogue Pinapples
#7 - 2014-04-21 15:11:27 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
First and foremost it would help to understand the nature of your site running.

For example, many moons ago I would solo C3 sites in a Tengu. But i was living in the C3 at the time so my fit was based around the fact that I had a safe POS to warp back to (no need for cloak or probes).

That can be different from running sites in a system you don't live in.

Knowing which can help. I am guessing from your comments however you are looking at the latter.

If you want to go truly solo, it can be done, but I would definitely go the mobile depot route.

I would splurge on the "yurt" mobile depot as it is very very (very) hard to scan down. Bring a mobile depot, refit mods (yay refitting subs in space") with a cloaky scan fit as well as combat fit.

Honestly your fit is crap. Go with HML. The key benefit of the Tengu is range. C2-C4 can have spawns at a fair distance and you will be wasting lots of time burning into range. Yes you may lose a little DPS, but being able to apply immediately vs burning at a wave that spawned 90km away to get into range makes up for it. It also allows you to stay off the warp in beacon as well as distance for warpable wrecks (for safety). Drop the cloak. You can refit a cloak quickly if needed. By the same token if you are running C2 sites you can warp back to the HS WH and just bug out.

absolutely leave your crystal set at home. Most of the time if you get caught, a gank squad will get a hic to get your pod, even if they have to wait a minute to go get one. Running solo you will die eventually and you will likely lose your pod.

You talk about running the sites but how about making isk? The majority of C2 site value is from melted nanoribbons, more than the blue tags. Which means you need to salvage the wrecks after to make it even close to worth running.

If I were going to go truly solo I would do the following.

I would make 2 fits. One would be a scanning/salvaging fit (the scanning fit also has the bonuses for tractor beams). Depending on space you could also make it covert. Or just use a non covert cloak.

I would first make some good safe spots. I would drop my Yurt mobile depot at a safe and swap to my combat fit. I'm pretty sure you need a max prober to scan down a yurt depot (I never could on any of my scanners on the test server).

Go run sites. Refit for salvaging and get the isk.

If you get jumped you should be able to warp to your depot, quickly slap on a cloak, scoop it all and gtfo before you get probed and tackled.

Having a scan alt definitely helps as it negates the concern of carrying probes etc in case you lose your WH connection out.



Thanks for the advice, the fit stuff is what I've been looking at, I've currently got 2 fits on 2 separate tengu's in my home system, 1 expensive and one cheap. I'll run with the cheap one for now until i get my bearings. I'll fit for HML's as they are the most common fit and like you've said the time difference in the sites from applying all the dps and burning towards the higher would probably be the same. I've seen that solo isnt the way to go, i'll be flying a small gang to begin with and using a mixture of the scout and depot method as i'll be the most skilled pilot it makes sense.

Thanks for all the advice guys, much appreciated.

J

JrLUK: The oldest Noob in EvE. GTC's for Game time or Plex for cheap here: JrLUK's G2A

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-21 18:32:29 UTC
The extra range does a lot more for you than just save time in a site. Rats in C2 & C3 sites can web/neut out past 60km, some past 100km and lots of the frigs will scrams you.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#9 - 2014-04-22 03:00:42 UTC
Well one thing you will learn quickly, never assume you wont get stuck in a hole without your scanner alt. If there is any place a true solo fit/subfit were required, wormholes are it.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#10 - 2014-04-22 09:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lost Greybeard
I usually just run whatever BC I find the most amusing with a general T2 tank/ship DPS fit with some salvage drones and a probe bay in a high slot (Edit: for C2 PvE, obviously). I tend to prefer Amarr just because lasers are pretty, but I've used a Drake in the past and I imagine the others are fine.

I wouldn't bother with T3 or in-space refitting unless you're actually planning to hang out in w-space long-term and are doing C3+. Unless you're intentionally trying to start PvP, in which case you've selected a pretty efficient method for that.
JrLUK
Rogue Pinapples
#11 - 2014-04-22 12:42:22 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
I usually just run whatever BC I find the most amusing with a general T2 tank/ship DPS fit with some salvage drones and a probe bay in a high slot (Edit: for C2 PvE, obviously). I tend to prefer Amarr just because lasers are pretty, but I've used a Drake in the past and I imagine the others are fine.

I wouldn't bother with T3 or in-space refitting unless you're actually planning to hang out in w-space long-term and are doing C3+. Unless you're intentionally trying to start PvP, in which case you've selected a pretty efficient method for that.


You've got my Eve mentallity, kind of just do what you want and fly things for your own reasons lol. I tend to find reasons to fly the things i want tbf!

JrLUK: The oldest Noob in EvE. GTC's for Game time or Plex for cheap here: JrLUK's G2A

Pris 7
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-04-22 18:00:01 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
The extra range does a lot more for you than just save time in a site. Rats in C2 & C3 sites can web/neut out past 60km, some past 100km and lots of the frigs will scrams you.


No heavy neuts in C2's sorry.

@OP you ARE going to get killed eventally (not necessarily "ganked" just killed). This is part of -1.0 life.
The only thing that can do is mitigate the loss with the income or by making it tough to do so whilst still shooting sleepers.
For C2's a T2 fit Cerberus will have you at great range whilst maintaining high speed which makes you harder to tackle.
Keep your pod cheap as most WH groups bring dic/hictors.

Most important KNOW WHAT EVERY SINGLE SIG IS IN THAT SYSTEM! If you know where they are coming from then you can have passive alts on connecting wormholes with the volume up so you can hear jumps. Watch out for new sigs appearing and keep an eye on dscan because the people with a pos in that WH you are ratting tend to take offence at you removing their income.

Having said this if you are specifically looking at C2's then bear in mind that most C2 corps make isk from a combo of farming their static and PI and most of their own sites are left as bait so that guys like you do what you are suggesting and they get a quick juicy kill at relatively low risk.