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When will James 315 cash out?
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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-04-21 18:06:22 UTC
Slave A00073078 wrote:
My eve experience from rags to riches has taught me that ISK is essentially worthless. It pretty much falls out of the sky on command. Also his spending on the reimbursement program shows he's unlikely to run off with it, since the amount he receives likely only barely covering the expense of running everything. It's only the recent large donations that put him in higher numbers, but even this amount is hardly worth running off with.

Perhaps space-poor individuals have a different view, but I've found that even making ISK a normal way (i.e not gambling) is so **** easy that it's almost worthless to steal at the amounts were talking about.


This couldnt be any more true.

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Commander Romonov
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#42 - 2014-04-22 17:28:32 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I actually thought James was going to do that early on, until I realised just how many gank catalysts He reimburses.

If I were Him, I'd use some of the ISK to buy tech 2 BPOs related to ganking, and run them 24/7, then eventually keep them. I think His entire attitude, however, is that He would rather watch the world burn than have isk.


Why do you capitalise He, Him and His?

He isn't God...
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-04-22 18:21:56 UTC
Uh oh, you did it now son.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-04-22 18:40:40 UTC
Commander Romonov wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I actually thought James was going to do that early on, until I realised just how many gank catalysts He reimburses.

If I were Him, I'd use some of the ISK to buy tech 2 BPOs related to ganking, and run them 24/7, then eventually keep them. I think His entire attitude, however, is that He would rather watch the world burn than have isk.


Why do you capitalise He, Him and His?

He isn't God...


No, but He is the Savior of Hisec. Such courtesies are expected.

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Jake Makbema
Eden Dominion Coalition
Scary Wormhole People
#45 - 2014-04-23 07:32:42 UTC
Praise to the Savior of Highsec! HUZZAH

Joseph Askold > In space nobody will hear you talk to yourself. Except Amarrians and Concord because they bugged your ship but thats another story.    I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. Read more at www.minerbumping.com
Makie Tachibana
Knights in White Satin
#46 - 2014-04-23 16:44:43 UTC
The problem with this thread is that no-one has anything in the way of evidence, and everyone is arguing what they want to believe. Detractors want to believe that James 315 is a scam artist waiting for the right time to cash out, and the New Order want to believe that he is too devoted to their cause to do such a thing.

Here's the truth: he'll cash out when his desire for the ISK surpasses the motivation against it. All else is speculation.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-04-23 17:37:08 UTC
Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.

I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-04-23 17:42:05 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.

I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it.


Agreed on all points.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#49 - 2014-04-23 18:01:00 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.

I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it.

Doesnt his past experience with it involve one of the biggest scams perpetrated in the history of the game?
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-04-23 18:48:16 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Here's the reality: Most of us don't care whether or not James is running an elaborate scam. We donate to keep the NO going and help out newer members. If he walks off with the money at some point, more power to him. In the meantime we get funny blog posts, free catalysts for new members, and a bunch of fun. I don't think anyone in the New Order would really feel that betrayed if the treasury disappeared, just sad that it was over. Anything else is belief and speculation.

I personally don't believe James is scamming considering his past experience with it.

Doesnt his past experience with it involve one of the biggest scams perpetrated in the history of the game?

At the time it was the biggest scam at around 35bill. The eve bank scam was ongoing at that point and was significantly larger. If you truly don't know why I don't think hes scamming currently based on past experience, I suggest you look into the outcome of the Currin Trading incident.

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Makie Tachibana
Knights in White Satin
#51 - 2014-04-23 19:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Makie Tachibana
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
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At the time it was the biggest scam at around 35bill. The eve bank scam was ongoing at that point and was significantly larger. If you truly don't know why I don't think hes scamming currently based on past experience, I suggest you look into the outcome of the Currin Trading incident. I'll give you a hint. He didn't make a cent.

I'm not quite sure how you come to this conclusion. From James' own account of the Currin Trading events:
Quote:
I lied. I cheated people. I used people to help me scam their friends. I was the cause of widespread bankruptcy. But the most damning thing of all? I think I can live with it, and if I had it to do all over again, I would. To my surprise, a guilty conscience was a small price to pay for thirty billion isk. So I will learn to live with it, because I can live with it. I can live with it, but...

He kept the money. He just justified it to himself by drawing attention to the Eve Intergalactic Bank scam.

http://themittani.com/features/ancient-history-currin-trading-confession
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#52 - 2014-04-23 19:35:25 UTC
I do recall reading about the incident though I dont think I got to the end.
Sometimes I find its difficult to get all the way through James's essays.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-04-23 21:06:07 UTC
Makie Tachibana wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
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At the time it was the biggest scam at around 35bill. The eve bank scam was ongoing at that point and was significantly larger. If you truly don't know why I don't think hes scamming currently based on past experience, I suggest you look into the outcome of the Currin Trading incident. I'll give you a hint. He didn't make a cent.

I'm not quite sure how you come to this conclusion. From James' own account of the Currin Trading events:
Quote:
I lied. I cheated people. I used people to help me scam their friends. I was the cause of widespread bankruptcy. But the most damning thing of all? I think I can live with it, and if I had it to do all over again, I would. To my surprise, a guilty conscience was a small price to pay for thirty billion isk. So I will learn to live with it, because I can live with it. I can live with it, but...

He kept the money. He just justified it to himself by drawing attention to the Eve Intergalactic Bank scam.

http://themittani.com/features/ancient-history-currin-trading-confession

I appologize, I misread that. I still doubt he will walk off with the money, and maintain that I don't really care if he does.

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Morgause Aquitania
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-04-24 03:03:19 UTC
Miulan Ng wrote:
Please pardon my newness to the topic, but I'd think someone as influential as James 315 would have been the subject of at least one psychological profile by adversaries and/or allies to aid in strategic planing? Such analysis might provide insight into motivations and hence future, potential actions. Cool


Dear Ms. Miulan,

The Bene Minmatar Sisterhood has already published a preliminar report on James 315. Please navigate to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=337577 to read its summary.

Our studies mainly tackle the religious aspects of this phenomenon - such as the messiahship complex - but I concur that a psychological profile would be key to provide insight to strategists and planners.

In summation, although our report is not a study solely focused on James 315's persona and its psychological manifestations - or lack thereof, we do explain away one of the fundamental aspects of his character: the messiaship complex, and his perverted vision of a Mankind where concepts such as Betrayal, Awoxing, Ganking, and Murder will be paramount.
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