EVE New Citizens Q&A

Yes but how many high sec newbie corps are going to have more than 20 people in it? Perhaps just bad luck but I find corps of that size can barely have 5 people online. That's not going to give you much fighting power. Especially if one of you is flying logi

It's kinda like real life.

Hardship is what makes you a strong person, if it doesn't break you. People who are given everything good and sheltered from everything bad in life generally become self rightious a-holes, where as those who experience hardship and make something of it anyway become the best people to know.

Don't feel you have to stay with a corp that chooses to hide, it really isn't the only option even for new players.

I'v been known to dec the occasional young corp just to see how cool they are. Roll with it and make plans, believe me it'll teach you all kinds of tricks and make you generally MORE confident in yourself. Don't be afraid to lose ship, just make sure they're cheapy ones.

I spent my first few months in game under almost constant decs from people (some of whom) i now call friends. It pushed me to learn about survival amongst other things, and helped steer me clear of a repetitive grinding life into a more varied and rewarding PvP experience.

This game provides you with a set of rules to bend to your advantage. How successful you are depends on how well you learn these rules and use them to your own gain.

Drop me a line if you like, i'll help out if i can.

Highsec is a cesspit anyways. If you seriously want to get out from under the shadow of wardecs, you need to grab a Can-O-Man and move out of it. There are three other categories of space that you could move to, and each have their own opportunities according to how you play and how you prefer to raise income. Do keep in mind though that once you move out of highsec, only YOU are responsible for your own survival and safety.

1. Lowsec- Right next door to highsec you still have relatively easy access to trade hubs. Depending on the region you move to, you can still take your barge with you and shoot rocks in some backwater system, like many in Aridia, without frequent disruption. Keep an eye on local and d-scan as always though, and warp to a safe point or dock up the moment someone unsavory looking visits your system. You can also make a pretty good living on the items from exploration sites which pay more than they do in highsec and are more numerous.

2. Nullsec- Unfortunately, this is the most dangerous space for the independent spirits, and could be considered uninhabitable for a single corp in today's political landscape. If you seek income out of null, your best chance is to join a corp within an alliance that holds sov in a stable manner. Should you manage to do so, you have a variety of income options including lucrative combat sites, even better paying exploration sites, and rarer ores in asteroid belts. Again, watch local and d-scan.

3. Wormholes- Of all the "other" types of space, wormhole space can have the best risk to ISK ratio depending on how you play your cards. As opposed to nullsec, a single corporation could own their own wormhole system and enjoy the benefits of the sites and relative seclusion it offers. However, there are a LOT of mechanics you will have to learn to keep yourself from dying in a horrible fire every day. For starters, there is no local list so you have no idea how many people are actually in your system, therefore cloaky ships should invoke absolute fear in you if you have no PvP experience. There is a lot more you will need to take into account, more than I could reasonably explain here, so shoot me an evemail in game if you have questions about W-space.

Again, if wardecs are a constant bother for you, I cannot stress how much it would benefit you to take the plunge and get the hell out of highsec.

The assumption that whatever advantage you perceive the aggressors to have is utterly insurmountable and that to even attempt to fight is suicide is the very thing that allows me and people like me to fly vulnerable, multi billion isk ships around highsec victimizing whomsoever we please without the faintest fear of loss.

It's utterly comical how unwilling people are to lift a finger in their own defense. People don't even try to fight back, hell most of them time they won't even seek the knowledge to know what they can do to fight back.

It's like fighting a herd of cows using an ATV and an assault rifle. They could trivially trample you to death, but they don't because they're docile and domesticated.

Basically, this. That sort of player exists because they know people won't fight back. Start fighting back, and they'll go pick on someone else. (If you're really lucky, or you exhibit the right attitude about it, they might even take you in, teach you some things, and send you out into the world with your new knowledge and experience. It happens.)



Eve Online isn't a single player game. I'm sorry that was your experience. It may have been different had you been in a corporation with other players.

Reply to above post as it would not fit above.

No need to be sorry at all. But:

A. I played in 2008 and the game was not like this.

B. There are many players who choose to be solo or in NPC corps.

With that said and focusing on A. lets look at the front page of Eve and also the "Discover Who You Are" page for new players considering the game.

From: http://trial.eveonline.com/en/freetrial.aspx?



and the paths for new players from:
Find Your Path In The Sandbox we have Mission Runners, Explorers, PvP yes etc.

As you will note, there is NO description or mention on either page of griefing as a career path. As a matter of fact there is this instead:

From: Grief Play



With that said, in 2008 there were "Can Baiters" who were usually pretty new guys killing rookies. They were looked down upon in 2008 by every one I knew, and looked down upon in the forums.

In 2008, the game truly resembled the 2 pages I mentioned much closer than it does now.

In 2014, the game has moved a very long way from the front pages I mentioned, into some twisted *Advanced* Can Baiting of newer players by those with the same mentality of the Can Baiters of 2008 = the recent "The Bonus Room" and the other well publicized crossing the line events, the push to kill all miners in hi sec, the push to kill all missioners in hi sec, the move to sit on station with remote reps killing rookie ships etc.

Lastly, I did join another corp, and even moved to low sec, I dont mind Pvp, low sec, FW, if that is what I am in the mood for. But... even that did not help as the 100m sp person started contacting my CEO and corp mates for more of this 2014 can baiting / griefing play.

Anyways, I believe the OP has a very valid point in that New Players are being targeted for can baiting mind set harassment and do indeed quit.

I am back, but my friend did not come back.

Again, no need to be sorry.... I am pointing out that the game has changed and is farther from what it is described as now than in 2008. New people want to play it ... pvp included, without stalking harassment etc. from those who skilled up in can baiting as the old style of can baiting was made against the rules.

Good luck OP. I hope you find a solution so that you may Enjoy Eve Online.

Anyways, this thread is about New Players Quitting basically from griefing.

Declaring war used to be done for legitimate reasons on more established corps. Yes you had a few of the *Can Baiters Mindset* declare war on newbie corps years ago for griefing purpooses, but it has grown exponentially over the years as the game ages along with griefing in general.

I guarantee you the OP was war decced purely based on griefing.

This has been a huge problem for many games for many years and is a huge reason for the players quitting which hurts the game makers bottom line. To wit from the Cnet article

"Problems related to grief players often account for 25 percent or more of customer service calls, according to game publishers."

The article while older focuses on *griefing New Players* and no doubt this thread is about that subject and about the OP, otherwise it would have been shut down with a nice note from CCP stating working as intended.

Again, I played Eve in 2008, and returned as a new player / new toon 5 years later and the game has changed in that griefing New Players and griefing in general has skyrocketed. I have noticed this phenomena with many other aging online games.

As is such the statements made by John Suler, (a psychologist at Rider University in Lawrenceville, N.J. has studied deviant behavior in online game communities and found that griefers fall into two basic camps)

A. "Some of them are kind of antisocial types, where their cause is to fight the authority figure," Suler said. "They take more pleasure in the grief they cause for the company that runs the game. That may stem back to difficult relations with parents and authority figures."

B. "Sometimes it's just a matter of wanting to hurt other people, cause grief for them," Suler said. "It might be a form of displacement for people who have been victimized in other areas of their life. They cope by turning the passive into the active: 'Now I'm the person who victimizes other people.'"

indicates that diminishing numbers of players and rising numbers of griefing including on New Players are linked.

Again, not saying that the war dec is against the rules.... I am saying that it has become much more common now a days to war dec new players.... which is a very stupid idea that no one gains from except griefers.

The community really should look at the line, it was crossed with can baiting nubs and is being crossed even more so nowadays in the game in general and yes more common on new players also. All one has to do to know this is read the forum posts by CCP regarding griefing players, crossing the line IRL and the bans that have occurred over the last year. Not a healthy community right now.

Take care and GL.

I am just going to say Sykaotic is full of crap.

Keep your defeatist tendencies to yourself. Just because your weak and unable to do something does not mean others can't.

I have been playing for a while and what your talking about has not increased. It has actually become safer. Not to mention the steady rise of subs year on year makes you look like a fool.

Back when I started it was alot more dangerous then it is now. Indy/miners never had it this easy.

What is happening however is the forms of gameplay shrouded in obscurity many years ago such as ganking and wars has received a lot more attention and news compared to in the past. Thanks to all the blogs/twitter/facebook and EVE news sites.

When all you read about is scams, wars and ganks it appear on the surface that it is the only thing that happens. Since lets face it.... nobody want to hear or read a story how a mining corp defeated another mining corp by mining the last rock in a belt. It is like watching golf... about as exciting as watching flies fornicate.

Let me say that again. There were alot more corps declaring war and ganking in the past then they do now. Wars are more expensive and ganking is alot harder then it used to be.

You wish it was this good back then.

Good to see the C and P peeps chime in and nice name Kane.... my alt name in 2008 was Cannibal Lector and I take this is your alt as your 1st kill on BC is in 2010 yet you speak of 2008?

Anyways, no I am speaking of whats going on in game compared to 2008 in game, not a blog etc. The community as a whole should really take a look at it. I am, OP is CCP is.

Take Care

People (new people) have always complained about how hard this game can be, and how mean people can be. OP's post isn't new or novel, and the only reason why this suddenly became a big deal is because Teg (a CSM member) screamed bloody murder over E1's bonus room recordings. Now everything people don't like about interplayer activity is apparently up for grabs so we can make this a friendlier game for everyone according to personal preferences that differ greatly from person to person. If you ask me, there is a giant disconnect between peoples' expectations and what the game has traditionally been, a sandbox where your fate is caused by your own choices.