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america is not a democracy

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Adunh Slavy
#41 - 2014-04-20 17:51:06 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Sometimes individual freedoms need to be infringed upon for the good of the entire society; things like health care and education.


So if I don't like your solution, or the solution provided by your politician of choice, you think it is ok to stick a gun in my face, either you doing it or some clown with an official hat?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#42 - 2014-04-20 19:37:45 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:



Oh no, it's the Koch brothers, who are unlike George Soros in everty way, lol.




Ah, thanks. Forgot all about him.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2014-04-20 19:39:00 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Sometimes individual freedoms need to be infringed upon for the good of the entire society; things like health care and education.


So if I don't like your solution, or the solution provided by your politician of choice, you think it is ok to stick a gun in my face, either you doing it or some clown with an official hat?



Geez, take a chill dude. Panties are all up in a knot politically on a game forum.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-04-20 20:32:59 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Sometimes individual freedoms need to be infringed upon for the good of the entire society; things like health care and education.


So if I don't like your solution, or the solution provided by your politician of choice, you think it is ok to stick a gun in my face, either you doing it or some clown with an official hat?


LOL Holy crap that was funny. Stick a gun in your face? What? Go back to your survivalist compound cuz Obama's comin' fer yer gunz and them thar gays tryna turn you gay too.
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-04-20 20:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lido Seahawk
Astenion wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Sometimes individual freedoms need to be infringed upon for the good of the entire society; things like health care and education.


So if I don't like your solution, or the solution provided by your politician of choice, you think it is ok to stick a gun in my face, either you doing it or some clown with an official hat?


LOL Holy crap that was funny. Stick a gun in your face? What? Go back to your survivalist compound cuz Obama's comin' fer yer gunz and them thar gays tryna turn you gay too.



You are missing the point being made. Every law passed, no matter how noble, is enforced by the barrel of a gun. Stop paying your taxes and see what happens.

So if you're not comfortable walking into your neighbors house, pointing a gun at him, and forcing him to give money to your favorite cause, maybe you shouldn't be comfortable having the government doing it either. Just say'n.

May I have your stuff?

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-04-20 20:48:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
WTF are you people talking about? I said that people should be forced to take a test in order to vote, that it shouldn't be a right but a privilege that you've earned.

You'd see that if you took off your tinfoil hat for just one second.

This is precisely what I'm talking about about the ridiculous mindset for individual freedoms in the US today. It's such a free country that it's perfectly ok to be stupid, yet when you try to curtail the fact that society is literally dumbing itself down every single day, out come the paranoid rednecks and tinfoil hat wearers who for the sake of ideology would rather live in something resembling Idiocracy as long as no one has to force them to think critically or intelligently. And they oh so need to be forced to think critically and intelligently. I'm talking gubment boots on their necks.

Sure, there's the slippery slope and all that, but you know what? People will at least know how to pronounce "nuclear".

Instead, we have a bunch of yokels who think it's perfectly ok to be stupid because it's their right to be stupid, and who get offended at the notion of anyone telling them they shouldn't be stupid...BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE INSULTED. No, it's because it's their RIGHT to be stupid. This is usually followed by some lame quote taken out of context that they've manipulated and paraphrased to the point that what they think it is is actually the polar opposite. Look for them on the internet as signatures and in real life as, "So-and-so once said...."

At that point I've already pictured his head exploding like a watermelon from a sniper on a rooftop and I've already decided this person doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#47 - 2014-04-20 20:59:38 UTC
*pulls out antique pocket watch and peers at the time*
oh my, that didn't take long... Roll

I'm in it for the money

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Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-04-20 21:03:21 UTC
Astenion wrote:
WTF are you people talking about? I said that people should be forced



This is what we are talking about.

May I have your stuff?

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-04-20 21:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Stupid people should be forced to not be stupid. Cry all you want, but as long as the rest of us have to be forced to live among them, I fully support boots on the neck.

Stupidity should be painful for the stupid, not for the rest of us because of them.

You take a driver's test to get a license. I don't see why you shouldn't have to pass a voter's test to vote. Voting should be a privilege, not a right.
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-04-20 21:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lido Seahawk
Here in 'murica, we used to have this really groovy set of laws affectionately know as "Jim Crow". One of the old Jim Crow laws stated that one needed to pass a literacy test before being able to vote.

So when Django goes to the poll to vote, Billy Bob throws down a Chinese newspaper and hollers "What's that say, boy?" To which Django replies, "It says negroes don't vote in Alabama!"

That's why you can't require a test for voters, much as most people would like the idea, myself included. The potential for abuse is too great.

As for forcing stupid people not to be stupid, good luck with that.

May I have your stuff?

Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-04-20 21:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lido Seahawk
Astenion wrote:
Stupid people should be forced to not be stupid. Cry all you want, but as long as the rest of us have to be forced to live among them, I fully support boots on the neck.



And for those of you who are wondering about us crazy Americans, its attitudes like this that led me to become a life member of the NRA. You're not putting your boots on my neck, bubba.


Edit: I'm going to end up getting this thread locked, ain't I? Smile

May I have your stuff?

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2014-04-20 21:31:46 UTC
Astenion wrote:


You take a driver's test to get a license. I don't see why you shouldn't have to pass a voter's test to vote. Voting should be a privilege, not a right.



Oh it was and most indeed, back when one had to own property to actually vote.

When it becomes a privilege for the "few", the Rabble will indeed rebel....and eventually win anyway.

Why are you wanting to repeat a lesson already learned ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-04-20 21:37:39 UTC
America is a Plutocracy.

Let's be honest here.Straight

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Adunh Slavy
#54 - 2014-04-20 22:14:17 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Sometimes individual freedoms need to be infringed upon for the good of the entire society; things like health care and education.


So if I don't like your solution, or the solution provided by your politician of choice, you think it is ok to stick a gun in my face, either you doing it or some clown with an official hat?


Geez, take a chill dude. Panties are all up in a knot politically on a game forum.


What, am I suppose to sugar coat it like a good little sheep?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Adunh Slavy
#55 - 2014-04-20 22:19:20 UTC
Astenion wrote:
LOL Holy crap that was funny. Stick a gun in your face? What? Go back to your survivalist compound cuz Obama's comin' fer yer gunz and them thar gays tryna turn you gay too.



Are taxes voluntary?

If you think they are, you are with out a clue.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-04-21 00:17:59 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Stupid people should be forced to not be stupid. Cry all you want, but as long as the rest of us have to be forced to live among them, I fully support boots on the neck.



And for those of you who are wondering about us crazy Americans, its attitudes like this that led me to become a life member of the NRA. You're not putting your boots on my neck, bubba.


Edit: I'm going to end up getting this thread locked, ain't I? Smile


That's a perfect example of the difference between hyperbole and paranoia. No one's comin' fer yer guns. No one's literally going to kick in your door and make you do math problems. If you think for a second the NRA gives a crap about individual rights, then you belong in the aforementioned group of people.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-04-21 00:28:12 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
Here in 'murica, we used to have this really groovy set of laws affectionately know as "Jim Crow". One of the old Jim Crow laws stated that one needed to pass a literacy test before being able to vote.

So when Django goes to the poll to vote, Billy Bob throws down a Chinese newspaper and hollers "What's that say, boy?" To which Django replies, "It says negroes don't vote in Alabama!"

That's why you can't require a test for voters, much as most people would like the idea, myself included. The potential for abuse is too great.

As for forcing stupid people not to be stupid, good luck with that.


Yes, but the potential for abuse by lobbying groups and their political puppets is within reason, i.e., the NRA?

If you think making it mandatory to be literate in order to vote will all of a sudden make everyone break out in blackface and start having separate water fountains, then that's just crazy. Gay men are having babies and getting married all over the country, the south included. Passing a literacy and current events/civics exam today would be nothing like Jim Crow.
Crompton Aberforth
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-04-21 01:43:38 UTC
If you don't want 'stupid' people to be able to get a licence to vote, we better write the test. Can you please provide the questions that should be included?
I'll start.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-04-21 10:56:30 UTC
Well, you guys are all wrong.

I'm not gonna sugar-coat this at all. The truth is that mankind's greatest and most life-threatening problem is mankind itself. Taking it into extremes, capitalism won't work as a whole because it only works for a tiny bit of the whole cake. You can't give the same, whole and delicious cake to all the 7 billion people that exist in this planet. There's simply not enough cake for everybody.
On the other extreme, you can't rely on communism because if everybody gets the same, no matter what effort you put into, things will evolve to the state where one single guy will work for 1000, to provide to those 1000, because they "can't be arsed".

Now don't get me wrong, capitalism and communism have their good points, in theory. I do believe that everybody should be able to provide for themselves, but I also believe that it's not wrong to cooperate for the greater good. Thing is tho, we're a self-centred, extremely territorial and aggressive species. No political system of note can work beyond small settlements because we would ending up on warring each other for resources.


so yeah, TL;DR: we're a bunch of self-indulgent bastards and we will be the end of ourselves.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-04-21 12:35:49 UTC
Always love Grimpak.