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america is not a democracy

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Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#21 - 2014-04-19 15:08:53 UTC
UK is not a democracy either, and if we are going to be "real" about it, there has probably never been a democratic government in any country ever.
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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#22 - 2014-04-19 15:14:29 UTC
nahhh ...I think it is at a local level ...probably not so much at a national level as we don't actually vote for the person but more for the party .This was proved when brown took over from blair ...and we both know that nobody wanted him in charge
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#23 - 2014-04-19 15:30:21 UTC
Democracy is overrated anyway.

The idea that the voice of some hick has the same weight as mine is disgusting.

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Adunh Slavy
#24 - 2014-04-19 16:29:38 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
... socialist oligarchs. ...



By your own definition, you speak non-sense.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-04-19 16:36:44 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Democracy is overrated anyway.

The idea that the voice of some hick has the same weight as mine is disgusting.


Call me un-American or dictatorial, but I fully agree with this. The right to vote should be earned, and you should have to pass an evaluation every time you vote in order to earn that right.

People say you're free to be stupid, but where's the freedom FROM stupid people?
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#26 - 2014-04-19 20:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-04-19 21:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Snagletooth Johnson
Astenion wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Democracy is overrated anyway.

The idea that the voice of some hick has the same weight as mine is disgusting.


Call me un-American or dictatorial, but I fully agree with this. The right to vote should be earned, and you should have to pass an evaluation every time you vote in order to earn that right.

People say you're free to be stupid, but where's the freedom FROM stupid people?

That's not un-American, just Un-Progressive. There was never a "right" to vote in the US until the Voting Rights Act of the 1960's. Since the time of the Greeks voting had always been considered a privilege and a responsibilty of citizenship, not a right....and our Founding Fathers agreed with that notion.
Crompton Aberforth
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-04-20 00:23:09 UTC
Astenion wrote:
[quote=Nerath Naaris]

Call me un-American or dictatorial, but I fully agree with this. The right to vote should be earned, and you should have to pass an evaluation every time you vote in order to earn that right.

People say you're free to be stupid, but where's the freedom FROM stupid people?


OMG, I've just realised I am UN-American. Hold the bus!

Whilst I agree people should understand the political system they live in, excluding people would probably just play into the hands of the powers that be. So let's educate and encourage participation and then there will be less 'Stupid'. As the shampoo add with Rachel Hunter taught me: 'It won't happen over night but it will happen.'

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#29 - 2014-04-20 01:05:37 UTC
Crompton Aberforth wrote:


Whilst I agree people should understand the political system they live in, excluding people would probably just play into the hands of the powers that be. So let's educate and encourage participation and then there will be less 'Stupid'. As the shampoo add with Rachel Hunter taught me: 'It won't happen over night but it will happen.'
Or promise them free stuff.

I'm in it for the money

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#30 - 2014-04-20 06:16:25 UTC
I don't think the American political system can ever achieve what it was meant to do. Because, the way it is set up, only a person with an extremely competitive and ethically compromising personality can ever become President. In other words, the people who fall outside of the usual standards of the community's norms are the ones who are best-equipped to become President. Basic wisdom says that cannot endure indefinitely.

-Paraphrase of an Emmit Fox one-shot radio sermon around 1920
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#31 - 2014-04-20 06:48:25 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
I don't think the American political system can ever achieve what it was meant to do. Because, the way it is set up, only a person with an extremely competitive and ethically compromising personality can ever become President. In other words, the people who fall outside of the usual standards of the community's norms are the ones who are best-equipped to become President. Basic wisdom says that cannot endure indefinitely.

-Paraphrase of an Emmit Fox one-shot radio sermon around 1920

1920...
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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-04-20 08:45:28 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:


A shoe on any other foot is still a shoe.



....but it depends on who designed it.

Touche
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-04-20 08:49:25 UTC
Crompton Aberforth wrote:
Astenion wrote:
[quote=Nerath Naaris]

Call me un-American or dictatorial, but I fully agree with this. The right to vote should be earned, and you should have to pass an evaluation every time you vote in order to earn that right.

People say you're free to be stupid, but where's the freedom FROM stupid people?


OMG, I've just realised I am UN-American. Hold the bus!

Whilst I agree people should understand the political system they live in, excluding people would probably just play into the hands of the powers that be. So let's educate and encourage participation and then there will be less 'Stupid'. As the shampoo add with Rachel Hunter taught me: 'It won't happen over night but it will happen.'


You can't fix stupid.
If there is one thing more dangerous then a stupid person, it's a stupid person with knowledge.
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-04-20 15:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lido Seahawk
I once dated a woman who told me she voted for Clinton because 1. He was better looking than Dole, and 2. She liked his wife.

This is the basic problem with the current system. Where I work there are soooo many tools who just vote however the union tells them to, makes me sad.

Sometimes I think one should have to pass a basic civics test in order to vote. But then, it would just get dumbed down to a level that anyone could pass it. I don't know what the answer is, but I really do wish the clueless would stay home on voting day. Or at least be required to show proper id.....

May I have your stuff?

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2014-04-20 16:00:25 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
I once dated a woman who told me she voted for Clinton because 1. He was better looking than Dole, and 2. She liked his wife.

This is the basic problem with the current system. Where I work there are soooo many tools who just vote however the union tells them to, makes me sad.

Sometimes I think one should have to pass a basic civics test in order to vote. But then, it would just get dumbed down to a level that anyone could pass it. I don't know what the answer is, but I really do wish the clueless would stay home on voting day. Or at least be required to show proper id.....



The issue really is the quadjillionaires like the Koch Brothers giving unreal amounts of money to candidates who just play on people's fears of immigrants, socialized medicine, and "alternative lifestyles", and especially those horrified by women's choices about their physical bodies.

Benign candidates do not have anywhere near the equivalent funds to spread their message. It's already a lost cause. Warren Buffet can't save every election.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#36 - 2014-04-20 16:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Lido Seahawk wrote:
I once dated a woman who told me she voted for Clinton because 1. He was better looking than Dole, and 2. She liked his wife.

This is the basic problem with the current system. Where I work there are soooo many tools who just vote however the union tells them to, makes me sad.

Sometimes I think one should have to pass a basic civics test in order to vote. But then, it would just get dumbed down to a level that anyone could pass it. I don't know what the answer is, but I really do wish the clueless would stay home on voting day. Or at least be required to show proper id.....



Where I come from the tools mostly vote the way their Church tell them.

Also, where I come from, we have to show a proper identification to vote. Sounds like your local voting process needs some revamping.
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-04-20 17:25:01 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:


Where I come from the tools mostly vote the way their Church tell them.

Also, where I come from, we have to show a proper identification to vote. Sounds like your local voting process needs some revamping.



Church, union, whatever, its the same thing. Tools come in all kinds of flavors.

I live in a State that went to the infamous "Cajun" primary system a few years ago, because locals were upset that they couldn't vote in primaries for parties to which they did not belong. Because, y'know, nothing represents fairness and political integrity like Louisiana!

Don't get me started on the Governor's race recount, which was won on the third try by the Seattle power brokers. I'll leave it up you to figure out where the magic voters came from to give Gregoire the win on a hand count, or whether or not they had proper id...but yeah, I would agree, our voting process does need a revamp.

May I have your stuff?

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-04-20 17:34:17 UTC
I say "call me un-American..." because my idea goes against the American idea of freedom, that individual freedom is higher than anything else and is of utmost importance. This isn't just rhetoric because entire campaigns are built upon this premise. I, on the other hand (like the rest of the civilized world), believe that individual freedom is of utmost importance to a point. Sometimes individual freedoms need to be infringed upon for the good of the entire society; things like health care and education. However, as many of you already know, Americans are deathly afraid of too much government and are wary of anything run by the government (there is a point there, tbh), however it's most often to their own detriment. The NSA is one thing and universal health care is another.

I will not deny the upsides to a country where individual freedom is held to such a high standard, but tbh most of those benefits are relatively small, insignificant, materialistic and egotistical, and serve only to distract us from the really serious problems we face every day. I left the US because of this mindset, actually.

I don't want to participate in a society where people like Fred Phelps could have had an equal say in politics as, say, Neil Degrasse Tyson. I'm not coming from the standpoint of religion, but of tolerance and intelligence. I understand the significance of taking voting rights away from people; I'm not saying I think it's a good idea, although neither do I like the fact that the ignorant and uneducated have the same voice of those who are tolerant and educated. By educated I don't mean elitist or scholastic, just intelligent. Therefore, I stand by my opinion of an examination to earn the right to vote. We have to take a lengthy exam and course to drive an automobile or motorcycle, why shouldn't we also be evaluated on whether or not we are up to the task of voting for the future of an entire nation?
Adunh Slavy
#39 - 2014-04-20 17:45:23 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
... I don't know what the answer is ...


Own property? Pay more in taxes than you consume?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Adunh Slavy
#40 - 2014-04-20 17:47:05 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The issue really is the quadjillionaires like the Koch Brothers giving unreal amounts of money to candidates who just play on people's fears of immigrants, socialized medicine, and "alternative lifestyles", and especially those horrified by women's choices about their physical bodies.

Benign candidates do not have anywhere near the equivalent funds to spread their message. It's already a lost cause. Warren Buffet can't save every election.



Oh no, it's the Koch brothers, who are unlike George Soros in everty way, lol.

Take of your two party hat, shesh.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt