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Ship Balancing Results so far
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Prince Kobol
#1 - 2014-04-20 08:41:08 UTC
I am curious.

Since the ship rebalancing started many people have been saying that it has been a success and a lot more ships are viable now, however from what I have seen in both low sec and null, we still have the situation where a few ships from each class are being used primary above all the others.

I would love CCP to show some metrics about which ships are being used to see if this is true or if indeed people are using more ships then before.



Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2014-04-20 08:44:05 UTC
Good luck is all I can say.


"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2014-04-20 08:48:17 UTC
Is there any particular ship in question here? I've noticed that so much of this generality is actually motivated by some particular internalized whine.

Like when Dinsdale cried so hard about the new Marauders until a dev shut him up by showing him that each and every one of them was seeing more use in every single aspect.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-04-20 08:50:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassandra Aurilien
It would be nice.

Barring CCP releasing it, the EVE killboards would have a lot of the same data, however I don't believe any of them have a function which allow kills or losses to be viewed that way. At the very least, their data would show what ships are most lost to other players.

Edit : To clarify... I've been impressed with the rebalancing, but I'd be curious to see ship usage data.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-04-20 09:04:18 UTC
I cant think of any rebalanced ships that don't have use somewhere.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#6 - 2014-04-20 09:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Prince Kobol wrote:
we still have the situation where a few ships from each class are being used primary above all the others.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but do you have a source for this? While I would love to see any and all metrics from CCP, the above seems like a baseless claim with no support provided.

From my own (limited) observations, I think the rebalancing has been an immense success. Just look at the t1 cruisers. Before the rebalancing began, no one in their right mind flew the caracal, auguror, exequror, or scythe. In addition, the t1 cruisers that were flown, such as the thorax, were vastly limited in scope. Only a moron would have fit a rail thorax before the rebalance (or medium rail anything for that matter), but now they're commonplace.

In fact, it was a rare, rare thing to find large t1 cruiser fleets anywhere before the rebalance. Now, they are commonplace in many parts of new eden. That's a huge success.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-04-20 09:38:51 UTC
ships used less since tiericide began: hurricane, drake

ships used more: everything else

are some ships still flown more often than others? yes, but it's a lot better than before, the meta's a lot more varied. devs'd said before that it's not practical to achieve 'perfect' balance, and that a perfect balance results in a static meta. they believe a shifting meta is more interesting
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#8 - 2014-04-20 09:43:45 UTC
Even if it is the case that some hulls are more popular does not mean that they are statisitically unbalanced.

But the Arby still sucks :(

If the Dragoon has a neut boners, why doesn't a larger version of what is essentially the same ship? Especially when its T2 cousins also get one?

Tracking disruptors FTL on a ship that size

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#9 - 2014-04-20 09:47:02 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
ships used less since tiericide began: hurricane, drake

ships used more: everything else

are some ships still flown more often than others? yes, but it's a lot better than before, the meta's a lot more varied. devs'd said before that it's not practical to achieve 'perfect' balance, and that a perfect balance results in a static meta. they believe a shifting meta is more interesting

I haven't touched a cane in a long while.......



Errrrrr.......





lol but yeah there aren't any to be seen when I roam around.
At best the Fleet Issue one, but that's really rare too.
They nerfed it too hard.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#10 - 2014-04-20 09:48:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
If the Dragoon has a neut boners, why doesn't a larger version of what is essentially the same ship?

Neut boners lol

Good morning. xD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Prince Kobol
#11 - 2014-04-20 09:49:53 UTC
lol. I am not doing a dinsdale.

I am not saying it hasn't been a success, if more ships are being used then before then that is fantastic, its just that for example lets take interceptors, I see mostly Crows and Stilettos being used a lot more then others.

I see lots of Muninns and Eagles being used over other ships in their class.

Sabre's still seem to be the favourites when it comes to dictors.

However that is what I see, doesn't make it true, far from it. Everybody has there own perspective depending where they fly and who they fly with.

I know in the past CCP have released some great metrics in regards to what ships are being used in regards to PvP, I would love them to do same again.

If the rebalancing has been a success and more variety of ships are being used then ever before then why not shout about it :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#12 - 2014-04-20 09:50:39 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
If the Dragoon has a neut boners, why doesn't a larger version of what is essentially the same ship?

Neut boners lol

Good morning. xD



Morning hun

I must say, I very much like your new look

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#13 - 2014-04-20 09:51:30 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
If the Dragoon has a neut boners, why doesn't a larger version of what is essentially the same ship?

Neut boners lol

Good morning. xD



Morning hun

I must say, I very much like your new look

Thank you!

I'm improving! :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#14 - 2014-04-20 09:59:06 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

Thank you!

I'm improving! :D


And dont take this the wrong way, you really look like a guy I went out with once

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#15 - 2014-04-20 10:05:50 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I am curious.

Since the ship rebalancing started many people have been saying that it has been a success and a lot more ships are viable now, however from what I have seen in both low sec and null, we still have the situation where a few ships from each class are being used primary above all the others.

I would love CCP to show some metrics about which ships are being used to see if this is true or if indeed people are using more ships then before.






Hyperion is now viable in PvP.
Rebalancing = Op Success

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#16 - 2014-04-20 10:11:07 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
If the Dragoon has a neut boners, why doesn't a larger version of what is essentially the same ship?

Neut boners lol

Good morning. xD

[Dragoon, Neut Boner]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[empty high slot]
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Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Egress Port Maximizer I

25km range and cap stable.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-04-20 10:38:52 UTC
Generally pretty good, but the Minmatar ships kinda whiffed. The Stabber is great for running away, it's probably the best T1 Cruiser for running away. So you have a PvP ship which specializes in avoiding PvP.Straight

Love the Bellicose and T1 Logi though.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#18 - 2014-04-20 10:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Prince Kobol wrote:
I am curious.

Since the ship rebalancing started many people have been saying that it has been a success and a lot more ships are viable now, however from what I have seen in both low sec and null, we still have the situation where a few ships from each class are being used primary above all the others.

I would love CCP to show some metrics about which ships are being used to see if this is true or if indeed people are using more ships then before.





EDIT: If there is an actuall basis for the above thoughts... END EDIT:


Not that those metrics would mean much as some people are just plain stubborn and will fly the old ships because those are the ones they like and some may not even really know the changes occured Shocked
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#19 - 2014-04-20 10:42:39 UTC
Minmatar ships.........meh.

Everything else has been the great though.

I am happy there is more than one viable frigate in the game now.

I do dread T3 rebalance..........but hopefully that rebalance just brings more versatility in the form of subsystems.

Who knows.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-04-20 10:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gal'o Sengen
Slade Trillgon wrote:

Not that those metrics would mean much as some people are just plain stubborn and will fly the old ships because those are the ones they like and some may not even really know the changes occured Shocked


Eve players in general are very stuck in their ways. When i first started playing, you'd get kicked from a fleet if you showed up in a Drake, or any ship that used Heavy Missiles because Heavy Missiles and Drakes were "terrible'. Two years later, every fleet was Drakes and Tengus because, surprise, Drakes and Heavy Missiles were actually really good.

KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

I do dread T3 rebalance..........but hopefully that rebalance just brings more versatility in the form of subsystems.


All i want is a fifth Launcher for the Loki Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration subsystem. Give me that and i am happy.
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