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BPO4cash, Offering collaterized loans - 2weeks@2% or 30days@4%.

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Aluka 7th
#1 - 2014-03-16 21:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Hi!

Turn your BPO into cash.
You have less profitable BPO and need money to invest in more profitable production?
You found good deal and you need cash to turn quick profit?
Contact me, I offer 2 week loan with 2% interest or 30day loan with 4% interest with your BPOs as collateral!

Min loan - 100mil
Max loan - 2bil (up to 20bil for specific BPOs offered as collateral, mail me)
Collateral - Mainly Tech1 BPOs with ME or PE above 1 at NPC value -5%.
Location for collateral exchange - Jita or Amarr. (Mail me for other locations).


- Just put all BPOs for collateral in ->Small Standard Container<- and rename it to the name of your character borrowing the money!
- For anything other then Tech1 BPOs as collateral I will go through it on case by case basis, mail me.
- You can request to pay me back sooner but still interest for anything from 1day to 14days is 2% and from 15days to 30days is 4%. Mail me for longer periods.
- BPOs need to have at least ME1 or PE1.
- BPOs will sit in station for duration of the loan.

Example:
So for example if you offer Concussion Bomb Blueprint as collateral (200mil NPC price), you can get 190mil loan. After 2 weeks you can pay me 193.8mil or after 30 days 197,6mil and you get BPO back.
You just create item exchange contract where you request 190mil and you offer that BPO in the Small Standard Container named after your character.
And for example 2 weeks later I create contract where I ask for 193,8mil in exchange for that same Small Standard Container+BPO.


A7
Kudos12345
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-03-16 22:08:01 UTC
Now this seems like a proper Bank, tbh i was thinking of using plexes as collateral sometimes in the future, that way i get the benefit of speculating in the continual rise of plex as well as trading off the isk as well. Just an idea i dont know if that can even be done just joining the world of EVE finance.
Aluka 7th
#3 - 2014-03-16 22:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
I just hope CCP creates loan contracts where guy needing the money sets up initial loan amount he wants, adds collateral and sets amount he will pay back for that loan and sets time frame in which he can get collateral back. Then I just go through contracts asking for money and accept ones I like. If contract expires, I get collateral instead. That would solve lot of problems and streamline loan market. Collateral would be "kept" by server so I wouldn't have any work to keep tabs who payed when and what.
Ah well, SOON :)
Kudos12345
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-03-16 23:06:57 UTC
I agree and i think anything that player do already using out of client tools that can be streamlined into the client would be beneficial to the overall game play of EVE.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#5 - 2014-03-16 23:40:20 UTC
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-03-17 09:21:02 UTC
sounds like a reasonable service

i would however suggest you change your interest percentage to a flat 2% or twist it around 5% for the short term



i could take two two week loans for 100 mil and pay back 104 or a 1 month loan and pay back 105

kind of strange wouldn't you agree ;)?
Aluka 7th
#7 - 2014-03-17 09:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Setsune Rin wrote:
sounds like a reasonable service

i would however suggest you change your interest percentage to a flat 2% or twist it around 5% for the short term



i could take two two week loans for 100 mil and pay back 104 or a 1 month loan and pay back 105

kind of strange wouldn't you agree ;)?


I understand pure math you used but, generally speaking, a longer-term investment carries a maturity risk premium, because long-term loans are exposed to more risk of default during their duration.
Basically if lender overestimated his profit potential and deal goes bad, I will get collateral 16 days sooner (after first 2 week period) and cover my position sooner and have money for new loans sooner that is why interest is 2% for 2 week loan. Also if you take 30 day loan instead 2x 2 week from your example, you don't have to cash out after first 2 weeks to repay me.
RAW23
#8 - 2014-03-17 12:49:57 UTC
A couple of suggestions:

a) As someone further up has already suggested, you should be charging less or the same for the longer term loan. There is no real additional risk running one of these over the long term since you will be fully covered anyway in the event of default. In fact, you will be better off if the borrower defaults as you should be able to realise more than NPC value in a sale of the prints. Secondly, the collateralised loan market is very much a buyers market, with the buyers being the borrowers. Collateralised debt at a reasonable interest rate is something investors fall over themselves to get and for the 1bil + range you are already charging a little over the odds. 5% is an uncompetitive monthly rate but, more importantly, your challenge is going to be to place your isk and keep it placed consistently, since you are losing out whenever your isk is idle. In order to succeed on that front you do not want to penalise people for longer loans - you want to reward them if anything.

b) You may also want to consider the following service. If someone wants to buy a blueprint they can't afford they can give you a 10% deposit, you will buy it and research it for them and they can then pay it off in instalments. BPO purchase plans of this sort have proved extremely popular in the past. Once you have built up a bit of history you can also offer a fuller range of similar services such as buying and locking down the print while the borrower uses it for whatever production line he has going. You'll be 100% safe as you'll be covered against a default by owning the print and having the 10% deposit (so the same setup as loaning isk against a print valued at 90% of NPC) and this approach will open up new customers who either want to research or build from a new print or prints without already being able to afford the whole thing.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Aluka 7th
#9 - 2014-03-17 14:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Hi RAW,

My target audience are capital ship, capital component, capital/XL module, BS/BC ship manufacturers, mainly anyone with "bad" BPO who doesn't utilize that print(s) because of current EVE market fluctuation. They would deposit BPO and get liquid capital from me for investing in their better prints but still want flexibility of keeping their under performing prints when market shifts by just paying back the loan. In 30day window you can manufacture two carriers or two dreads with borrowed money from me and my interest would be less then 35mil per capital ship from that scenario.

As we talk about currently under performing prints which almost equals to "currently unsellable", I'm not necessarily better off with borrower defaulting. There are researched prints that hardly sell even at NPC price, not to mention it takes some time and additional cost to sell them which also prolongs time in which my money is tied to hardly sellable print. Tbh I would rather like for borrower to pay his loan.

I understand your point about interest rate and with current market state after some consideration I would agree that longer loan should have more appealing % interest. 2% and 5% were based on the fact that (on forums) completed collateralized loans went for 2-6% and uncollateralized from 10-20%.

Currently I don't see myself in this idea of expanding into BPO plan described under b) as that is more of sub-prime mortgage territory in my eyes, but I appreciate the idea and will add it to future plans.
RAW23
#10 - 2014-03-17 17:54:38 UTC
Aluka 7th wrote:
Hi RAW,

My target audience are capital ship, capital component, capital/XL module, BS/BC ship manufacturers, mainly anyone with "bad" BPO who doesn't utilize that print(s) because of current EVE market fluctuation. They would deposit BPO and get liquid capital from me for investing in their better prints but still want flexibility of keeping their under performing prints when market shifts by just paying back the loan. In 30day window you can manufacture two carriers or two dreads with borrowed money from me and my interest would be less then 35mil per capital ship from that scenario.

As we talk about currently under performing prints which almost equals to "currently unsellable", I'm not necessarily better off with borrower defaulting. There are researched prints that hardly sell even at NPC price, not to mention it takes some time and additional cost to sell them which also prolongs time in which my money is tied to hardly sellable print. Tbh I would rather like for borrower to pay his loan.

I understand your point about interest rate and with current market state after some consideration I would agree that longer loan should have more appealing % interest. 2% and 5% were based on the fact that (on forums) completed collateralized loans went for 2-6% and uncollateralized from 10-20%.

Currently I don't see myself in this idea of expanding into BPO plan described under b) as that is more of sub-prime mortgage territory in my eyes, but I appreciate the idea and will add it to future plans.


It's great that you have identified a target audience but I think you will, in fact, have a wider pool of customers to deal with (which is a very good thing). People often get emotional about researched BPO and you will certainly find that its not just bad BPOs you end up handling. People also frequently want short term cash injections and they will use anything they can lay their hands on to secure them. Personally, I would reduce the amount offered for the difficult prints to NPC -10% to make sure I could always shift them easily but that's obviously a decision for you to make weighing up the pros and cons.

Best of luck with the business!

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Aluka 7th
#11 - 2014-03-17 18:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Tnx RAW!
I'm in trading, manufacturing and industry for few years now so hopefully that will help me in handling collaterals.
Also I did this specific service for people I know and alliance mates so that experience will come in handy.
And indeed it has crossed my mind that going down to NPC-10/15% for more costly and/or difficult prints is a way to go so thank you once more for confirming it.

"We Will See", Said The Blind Man Lol
lonic CheshamahMashtori
#12 - 2014-03-19 04:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: lonic CheshamahMashtori
I need cash to produce few marauders will you take control tower bpoes all size all type me1 pe1?
Sent you mail!
Aluka 7th
#13 - 2014-03-19 07:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
lonic CheshamahMashtori wrote:
I need cash to produce few marauders will you take control tower bpoes all size all type me1 pe1?
Sent you mail!


Funny mail! Just create item exchange in Amarr at 3,325bil and I will create item exchange back to you with 2 week period at 3,3915bil (+2%) that you can accept when ever you like in that period.
Aluka 7th
#14 - 2014-03-26 05:14:46 UTC
Following the changes to compression mechanics, these BPOs are NOT accepted as collateral anymore:

Passive Targeter I
Gas Cloud Harvester I
Citadel and normal torpedo BP

All large guns BPs like:
Tachyon Beam Laser I
425mm Railgun I
1400mm Howitzer Artillery I
800mm Repeating Artillery I

A7
cpt Mark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-26 14:32:49 UTC
Aluka 7th wrote:
I just hope CCP creates loan contracts where guy needing the money sets up initial loan amount he wants, adds collateral and sets amount he will pay back for that loan and sets time frame in which he can get collateral back. Then I just go through contracts asking for money and accept ones I like. If contract expires, I get collateral instead. That would solve lot of problems and streamline loan market. Collateral would be "kept" by server so I wouldn't have any work to keep tabs who payed when and what.
Ah well, SOON :)


Loan contracts used to exist. They were removed.
Aluka 7th
#16 - 2014-03-27 05:14:34 UTC
cpt Mark wrote:
Aluka 7th wrote:
I just hope CCP creates loan contracts where guy needing the money sets up initial loan amount he wants, adds collateral and sets amount he will pay back for that loan and sets time frame in which he can get collateral back. Then I just go through contracts asking for money and accept ones I like. If contract expires, I get collateral instead. That would solve lot of problems and streamline loan market. Collateral would be "kept" by server so I wouldn't have any work to keep tabs who payed when and what.
Ah well, SOON :)


Loan contracts used to exist. They were removed.


Hm, do you remember why did they remove them?
Brock Nelson
#17 - 2014-03-27 05:48:48 UTC
Aluka 7th wrote:
Hm, do you remember why did they remove them?


It was really confusing to use, hence why it was easy to scam people with it

Frankly, I wouldn't support the return of loan tools ingame as that would take away one useful thing that MD forum has to offer.

Signature removed, CCP Phantom

Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#18 - 2014-04-20 04:31:09 UTC
i'm curious if this has taken off yet, and how well it's doing for you, if so?
Aluka 7th
#19 - 2014-04-20 06:26:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Koniforous wrote:
i'm curious if this has taken off yet, and how well it's doing for you, if so?


I got two guys with valid request that already returned isk with interest and then 20ish that tried to "unload" compression BPOs and capital BPOs for higher or around NPC price asap which I currently avoid. So I would describe this as - meh.