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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#61 - 2014-04-19 23:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
You know nobody gives a rat's äss about any kind of cancer other than breast cancer these days. The rest of cancer patients can all collectively go die together, for all anyone cares. How common a type of cancer is is of no concequence as well, as we can clearly see by all the "breast cancer awareness" bullshít we're surrounded by, yet nobody talks about skin cancer or lung cancer anymore. Why don't we raise awareness of something we're not already aware of?

Like testicular cancer, for instance.


Granted my story is about Crohn's disease, butyou can easily substitue colon cancer/colonoscopy awarness in instead.

One day in my gym/clininc someone brought up breast cancer awarness and I chimmed out loud so everyone could hear me, "I refuse to acknowledge any other ribbon for any other disorder until there is a brown ribbon for Crohn's disease."

One of my co-workers looked at me sideways and smirked and said, "that is kind of gross."

I replied,"Nah that ain't gross, if I had said a brown and red stripped ribbon, that would have been gross." Twisted
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-04-19 23:17:35 UTC
Niiiice.

I don't see why it has to be about cancer awareness. We should be raising awareness especially about any disease which is:
A.) common
B.) a major hurter/killer
C.) difficult to detect
D.) treatable if detected

These are the diseases of which raising awareness makes the biggest difference. Breast cancer fits neatly in there with others such as melanoma, testicular cancer, colorectal cancer, leukemia, lung cancer, heart disease, liver disease, Crohn's disease, rabies, leprosy, ebola...the list goes on and on.

I had a friend with Crohn's disease. Not pretty. Made me sad she had to go through that crap.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#63 - 2014-04-19 23:20:01 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:


I will not speak directly for EP, but an MD is not the be all end all. It is called practicing the art of medicine for a reason. The practice is based in science but it is by no means exact.

Just because I do not have a MD does not mean that I do not have acces to their journals, nor does it imply that I do not have the capability to understand what is contained within said journals.

I am a health and wellness educator that is dedicated to being a very well rounded source of medical information for my clients. I am very capable of answering very serious questions, even if it may require a bit of intense research, of which I have the time for and MD's often times do not.

That being said, all advice I give, I recommend that it is brought up to the GP to get their opinion and if for some reason the GP does not entertain them, I remind them that they do have the right to second+ opinions.


The trick is, as always, to be well-informed about your treatment options as a patient. You don't want to be a passive consumer, it's always a good idea to learn about what your doctor is telling you to do.

The thing that gets my goat is when altmed people divert patients from tried and true methods of treatment, into things I'll politely put down as "experimental". Sure, getting good nutritional intake, plenty of sunshine, and fresh air is going to be great for a cancer patient. Keeps body energy up, and spirits high. That's not going to kill cancer though. Nor is there a magic natural drug out there that BIG PHARMA is keeping off the market , just because they can't patent it (seriously, just imagine how famous the group who cures cancer will be, regardless of the drug source...it'd be in every medical journal from here to Antarctica!)

I just got to deal with some silly crunchyness not too long ago, in fact. I had a lady swear up and down her kids sickness was caused by WiFi radiation. Nothing we showed would convince her otherwise. We ended up moving the kid to an isolated room, had IT shut down the SSID broadcast of all our assorted wireless networks nearby, and showed the woman (on a tablet set to airplane mode) that there was no more evil WiFi radiation around her kid.

Couple days later, I dropped by the kids room, and mom was chillaxing on her smartphone surfing the web. It was OK though, cuz she'd turned off the WiFi radio in the phone Roll.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#64 - 2014-04-19 23:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
I will say that I do look forward to what the research on Cannabinoids provides when the criminalization of Herb is finally put to rest.

EDIT:

Lady Areola Fappington wrote:


The thing that gets my goat is when altmed people divert patients from tried and true methods of treatment, into things I'll politely put down as "experimental".


I will say that in my experience that usually occurs when the traditional methods have all failed. But I am sure of what you mention does happen.
Lady Areola Fappington
#65 - 2014-04-19 23:49:40 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:

I will say that in my experience that usually occurs when the traditional methods have all failed. But I am sure of what you mention does happen.


Its a sad part of medicine, sometimes the best we can do isn't enough. I'm all for trying anything at that point, cuz who knows.

What I hate is "Ohh you've got stage one easy to treat testicular cancer? Don't go do that evil BIG PHARMA allopathic treatment, see all you need to do is take this ancient eastern herbal tea, apply this overpriced ointment I sell, and get 5 coffee enemas a day. No need for all that horrible painful allopathic medicine. Here's my totally not peer reviewed, biased article proving the LAF coffee enema + herbs treatment will totally cure you!"

Then, when the cancer progresses, and becomes incurable, the patient finally goes and sees a "Western" doctor. They get told "Nothing we can do, sorry", and BAM, even more proof about how horrid western medicine is.


Sorry if I come off as picking on you specifically, Slade, it's not my intent. This is my second biggest pet peeve, right after leaving the toilet seat up.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-04-20 00:08:18 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Sorry if I come off as picking on you specifically, Slade, it's not my intent. This is my second biggest pet peeve, right after leaving the toilet seat up.
I also see a lot of bad alternative medicine hurting people. It's very common and that's another thing we need to raise awareness about. Plenty of the quacks out there have fancy professional-looking offices with their Ph.D.s proudly displayed on their walls, and frequent patients who actually believe their treatments are miracle cures even after trying them. It's enough to fool most people who lack an education in medical science, and they get sucked in way too often.

So general quackery is a big pet peeve of mine, as is making a big deal over the status of the toilet seat. I don't mind putting it down but I don't want to live with someone so complacent they're actually bothered about it being up. It's not hard to put it down yourself and if you sit without checking its position, then you have bigger problems than living with someone who leaves it up.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#67 - 2014-04-20 02:30:30 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:

I will say that in my experience that usually occurs when the traditional methods have all failed. But I am sure of what you mention does happen.


Its a sad part of medicine, sometimes the best we can do isn't enough. I'm all for trying anything at that point, cuz who knows.

What I hate is "Ohh you've got stage one easy to treat testicular cancer? Don't go do that evil BIG PHARMA allopathic treatment, see all you need to do is take this ancient eastern herbal tea, apply this overpriced ointment I sell, and get 5 coffee enemas a day. No need for all that horrible painful allopathic medicine. Here's my totally not peer reviewed, biased article proving the LAF coffee enema + herbs treatment will totally cure you!"

Then, when the cancer progresses, and becomes incurable, the patient finally goes and sees a "Western" doctor. They get told "Nothing we can do, sorry", and BAM, even more proof about how horrid western medicine is.


Sorry if I come off as picking on you specifically, Slade, it's not my intent. This is my second biggest pet peeve, right after leaving the toilet seat up.


No picking seen at all. Just civil discourse. You have not said anything I said was wrong nor have you insulted me, lol. We are just speaking of different situations/examples within the same system.


As for the toilet seat up thingy; I will not go there.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#68 - 2014-04-20 05:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Seriously: If one did get testicular cancer, and found out early, would it be fairly easily fixed by a removal? Considering that it's kind of an external self-contained organ. Or is it not that simple? Infertility the result? Err... impotence? These things are usually interconnected. (Thinking of my dad's generation who had prostate surgery and ended up with "the general is willing, but the soldier's not doing his part." Anybody know?

Bah, spooling up Monty Python "I'm So Worried" in the meantime.
Lady Areola Fappington
#69 - 2014-04-20 05:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Seriously: If one did get testicular cancer, and caught it early, would it be fairly easily fixed by a removal? Considering that it's kind of an external self-contained organ. I'm sure it's not as simple as that, nothing medical is simple. Infertility the result? Err... impotence? These things are usually interconnected. Anybody know?



It really depends on staging of the cancer, but removal is pretty much the gold standard for treatment. The testicle is pretty much a "self-contained" organ, so removing it gets rid of all the cancer, presuming it hasn't spread.

Infertility isn't TOO much of an issue, because you got two. One can take over for the duties of both in that situation, and we have medical interventions to help with that department. Impotence (being read as the inability to maintain erection for sexual intercourse) is very easy to solve.. It'd likely be based around lack of testosterone, and that's pretty simple to supply from external sources. That would be assuming the testicle left in-body couldn't handle testosterone needs.


The part that kills guys comes straight from shame and lack of checking. You find a lump, you don't tell the doc, and eventually the cancer spreads. At that point, treatment starts getting difficult. Instead of a pretty simple orchiectomy (that's the medical term for testicle removal), you start looking at chemo and radiation. Those interventions are a lot rougher on the body, and at that stage, don't have as high a success rate.

We've done a bunch of discussion on the topic, but never mentioned exactly WHAT to check for. Basically, roll them between your fingers. It shouldn't hurt, and suspicious lumps will be hard. There's a soft bumpy bit at the top, that's the epididymis. It's not cancer, and you'll know when you grab it. It's the sensitive bit that makes getting kicked in the balls hurt so much.

Only a physician can make a negative diagnosis. If you think something feels strange, go see the doctor!
Only a physician can make a negative diagnosis. If you think something feels strange, go see the doctor!
Only a physician can make a negative diagnosis. If you think something feels strange, go see the doctor!

There, I said it three times, so hopefully it sunk in.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-04-20 12:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Themanfromdalmontee wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:



as an alternative health care practitioner I have to watch healthcare providers very closely.


Also known as Quack, Snake Oil Peddler or faith healer? :P

In most cases Healthcare Providers have to watch you carefully....too many people that do more damage than good based on psuedo science.

Please say your not a homeopath



Nope.


It's more like Fish oil lowers your cholesterol 50 points by positively effecting your triglycerides. Green tea naturally lowers your blood sugar and increases insulin sensitivity, thus helping to reverse the effects of type 2 diabetes. My own mother escaped being on insulin and now has almost normal blood sugar because of green tea therapy. She is still morbidly obese and very rarely exercises. She is 60 years old this year.

So i'm sure that many of you know how impossible it is for a morbidly obese 60 year old woman, who will not exercise, with blood sugar of 250, to suddenly drop down to normal levels most of the time.


This is what "alternative healthcare" practitioner means.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-04-20 12:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Nor is there a magic natural drug out there that BIG PHARMA is keeping off the market , just because they can't patent it (seriously, just imagine how famous the group who cures cancer will be, regardless of the drug source...it'd be in every medical journal from here to Antarctica!).



My grandfather's best friend got colon cancer in his 60's. He had allot of money so he went up to new york and saw the best doctors, who took out a sizable portion of his colon. The cancer came back and they said that he has 6 months to live.

Then he went down to the Bahama islands and received a treatment called "Immuno-Augmentative Therapy". A treatment not allowed in the united states because it is not cleared by the FDA. His recurrence disappeared, and he is still alive today.


There are in fact treatments over seas that keep the rich alive far longer then us lowly, unwashed, middle-class people. Hell, Magic Johnson stayed alive far longer than he should have before today's modern Aids treatments. The guy is still alive in 2014.


So don't be so naive.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2014-04-20 13:04:29 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Nor is there a magic natural drug out there that BIG PHARMA is keeping off the market , just because they can't patent it (seriously, just imagine how famous the group who cures cancer will be, regardless of the drug source...it'd be in every medical journal from here to Antarctica!).



My grandfather's best friend got colon cancer in his 60's. He had allot of money so he went up to new york and saw the best doctors, who took out a sizable portion of his colon. The cancer came back and they said that he has 6 months to live.

Then he went down to the Bahama islands and received a treatment called "Immuno-Augmentative Therapy". A treatment not allowed in the united states because it is not cleared by the FDA. His recurrence disappeared, and he is still alive today.


There are in fact treatments over seas that keep the rich alive far longer then us lowly, unwashed, middle-class people. Hell, Magic Johnson stayed alive far longer than he should have before today's modern Aids treatments. The guy is still alive in 2014.


So don't be so naive.


Not all of us can get a cash injection.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#73 - 2014-04-20 13:05:30 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I'm gonna follow up on baltec's advice on this one. Lol


Instructions weren't clear enough and now I'm watching Rebecca Black's - Friday.




meh I cant find her youtube vid any more cos I always used to feel my balls when I put her vid on
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-04-20 13:18:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Nor is there a magic natural drug out there that BIG PHARMA is keeping off the market , just because they can't patent it (seriously, just imagine how famous the group who cures cancer will be, regardless of the drug source...it'd be in every medical journal from here to Antarctica!).



My grandfather's best friend got colon cancer in his 60's. He had allot of money so he went up to new york and saw the best doctors, who took out a sizable portion of his colon. The cancer came back and they said that he has 6 months to live.

Then he went down to the Bahama islands and received a treatment called "Immuno-Augmentative Therapy". A treatment not allowed in the united states because it is not cleared by the FDA. His recurrence disappeared, and he is still alive today.


There are in fact treatments over seas that keep the rich alive far longer then us lowly, unwashed, middle-class people. Hell, Magic Johnson stayed alive far longer than he should have before today's modern Aids treatments. The guy is still alive in 2014.


So don't be so naive.


Not all of us can get a cash injection.



Everything you take is a cash injection. Every MRI and every test. It is just covered by your insurance. Blink

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Lady Areola Fappington
#75 - 2014-04-21 00:18:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Nor is there a magic natural drug out there that BIG PHARMA is keeping off the market , just because they can't patent it (seriously, just imagine how famous the group who cures cancer will be, regardless of the drug source...it'd be in every medical journal from here to Antarctica!).



My grandfather's best friend got colon cancer in his 60's. He had allot of money so he went up to new york and saw the best doctors, who took out a sizable portion of his colon. The cancer came back and they said that he has 6 months to live.

Then he went down to the Bahama islands and received a treatment called "Immuno-Augmentative Therapy". A treatment not allowed in the united states because it is not cleared by the FDA. His recurrence disappeared, and he is still alive today.


There are in fact treatments over seas that keep the rich alive far longer then us lowly, unwashed, middle-class people. Hell, Magic Johnson stayed alive far longer than he should have before today's modern Aids treatments. The guy is still alive in 2014.


So don't be so naive.



About that...

Quote:
No evidence has been published showing that immuno-augmentative therapy is safe or effective against cancer in humans. Burton did not publish detailed clinical reports or meaningful statistics, divulge the details of his methods, conduct a controlled trial, or provide independent investigators with specimens of his treatment materials for analysis. The mechanism of action he postulated for his treatment involved substances that are unknown to the scientific community. Although Burton said that IAT treatment materials were produced with processes he patented, experts do not believe that these processes can achieve what he claimed. Several attempts to develop a protocol for a clinical trial of IAT were unsuccessful. Moreover, during the mid-1980s, cases were reported of patients of Burton who developed serious infections following IAT.



Quote:
Saul Green, Ph.D., a biochemist who did cancer research at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Hospital for 23 years, has examined the patent applications. Dr. Green concluded that Burton's postulated "tumor complement," "tumor antibody," "deblocking protein," and "blocking proteins" in fact, have "never been identified as components of human blood much less of the immune system in the human." Moreover, proteins with the molecular weights Burton attributes to these alleged substances cannot be separated by centrifugation of blood using the speeds and times described in his patents . A report to the OTA reached similar conclusions. Dr. Green also noted that Burton did not establish immunologic baselines for normal individuals that were verified by independent investigators. Nor did he use recognized scientific tests to determine the status of his patients' immune competence either before or after treatment. Moreover, even if Burton's postulated substances do exist, the amounts injected into the patient's bloodstream would be too small to change the level of any existing blood component significantly .



Anecdotes do not equal data. Actual data on IAT has been shown it to be flawed, and the treatment ineffective and dangerous. It may have worked a few times, in the same way that sugar pills may have worked...the human body being an amazing system able to self-repair.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#76 - 2014-04-21 22:21:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Yes I too have read that article and it raises some concerns. Never the less, I saw it cure colon cancer. It sounds to me that the guy is trying to protect his cash cow by not publishing to much of his data.

The principle behind it is that we all have cancer, our immunity system just takes care of it for us. So if you could "augment" your immunity system, then ideally our own bodies could cure cancer on it's own. That is my understanding of it anyway, I did not invent the treatment.

But I did see my grandfather's close friend retreat to the bathroom every now and again to inject himself with a needle. I had at the time thought he was diabetic, until someone explained to me that it was in fact an injection to keep his deadly colon cancer from returning. I state again, he is still alive today and has lasted at least another 20 years past the 6 months some of the best doctors in the world gave him, and to the best of my knowledge without another recurrence.


So don't knock a thing just because it does not fit into the rigid and bias standards assembled by an FDA who's higher ups have connections with the food and pharmaceutical industries. Not to mention a now long history of giving drugs with harmful side effects a green light, only to have them taken off the market a few years later. That is not much of a standard to go by if you ask me.



. . .



Also... do not simply research your own assumptions, be it positive or negative. You quote only one single negative review of the treatment where as there are numerous positive ones on the web as well. Such as...


Link

Quote:

"ALTERNATIVES IN CANCER THERAPY"
by Ross, R.Ph. Pelton, Lee Overholser


Cancer Politics

Independent mavericks do not usually receive a warm reception from traditional scientists and physicians. Burton's remarkable tumor-shrinking demonstrations before scientific audiences resulted in newspaper headlines that read "15-Minute Cancer Cure." (1) These sensational reports contributed to the American Cancer Society's decision to place immuno-augmentative therapy on the "Unproven Methods" list. Burton's funding and grant money were withdrawn, and, despite repeated attempts, professional journals refused to publish any more of his papers.



Much of Burton's early work was conducted during his fifteen years as a cancer researcher at St. Vincent's Hospital in New York City. In the mid-1960s, Burton and his colleagues made several remarkable presentations at scientific gatherings. In 1966 an astonished audience at the American Cancer Society's Science Writers' seminar watched as Burton injected blood-derived im-munological proteins into mice and caused tumors to shrink in less than one hour



So how did he do that then? By magic? Big smile



If you are going to do your homework on a subject, then do your homework. Don't just find a link that supports preconceived notions or fears. Educate yourself on something before you draw to a conclusion, and most defiantly do so before you try to make others believe in those notions or share in your fears.


You might inadvertently prevent someone from seeking such a treatment and end up killing them. Food for thought.

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