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Rent in Khanid/Kor-Azor, Surely You're Joking (We're not)

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Justin Cody
War Firm
#41 - 2014-04-17 04:07:27 UTC
Free Khanid! Khanid For All! Khanid Forever!
Justin Cody
War Firm
#42 - 2014-04-17 04:08:33 UTC
Is there a ship replacement program for my 40 mining alts?
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2014-04-17 11:24:23 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Jacabon Mere wrote:
so how much rent are fat d paying you guys?

and

[ 2014.03.03 07:50:03 ] Pell Helix > You'll be learning quickly our word is always good.

funny man this pell. Enjoy repping your pos's.


Nothing. I just like them. CCCC

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Karl Jerr wrote:


Looking at your alliance's description: "..Q&A

- No we won't be blue with you."

It's a contradictory offer regarding to your alliance's policies.

Apart that point, with the upcoming summer changes I think it's a good idea to motivate some interest for non combat-pvp corps to settle in low-sec.


You can pretty much ignore the silliness that is our alliance description. Aside from the names there the rest should be taken with a grain of salt, not as official policy.


Hey, you have supercaps....can we gank them? Thanks mate!

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#44 - 2014-04-17 22:59:56 UTC
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Michael Mach
Arx One
#45 - 2014-04-18 20:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Mach
I would be lots more interested if I had more specifics, mainly on price. A Google Doc spreadsheet would be most welcome.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#46 - 2014-04-18 21:13:05 UTC
Michael Mach wrote:
I would be lots more interested if I had more specifics, mainly on price. A Google Doc spreadsheet would be most welcome.



Issue is in 0.0 renting you have a price for each system. Since this sort of renting doesn't limit you to one system in that manner, it's impossible to just give you a number. I can't say "Abath is worth X." Payment is also a very fluid concept rather than a hard fee. I'm thinking of offering discounts per month based on alternate methods of payment. Maybe a member wants to buy a dread and if you provide it at a discount, part or all of the rental fee is dropped. Perhaps we need a bunch of materials hauled somewhere. Helping us would earn a discount. I prefer to do things in an "eastern market" manner where you haggle a bit over the price rather than the "western model" where the price is the price. That way both parties are interested in a discourse. Mail me to talk.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#47 - 2014-04-19 15:16:53 UTC
Interesting thread. As a Khanid pilot I should have a look at Khanid lowsec, shouldn't I? Let's see how this industry stuff develops and maybe I reevaluate my carebearish HS life in a couple of months Lol.

Until then consider this a friendly bump Blink.

Remove standings and insurance.

Subject 4927
DPS INC
Probably Up to No Good
#48 - 2014-04-19 15:32:09 UTC
If this takes off I'm going to throw my alt corp down there. I could see this go good once a few corps/alliances do it and report positive feedback.


Come on Carebears, Be useful.

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Solecist Project
#49 - 2014-04-19 20:53:03 UTC
Although not using this service,
I completely approve of this wonderfull idea of emergent gameplay!

Awesome!

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Anh Emarious
Diplomatic-Incident
#50 - 2014-04-20 04:36:08 UTC
I have always wondered why some enterprising corps/alliance did not set up a official program for this very idea. When I first started in aa noob mining corp we struck a deal with a old school PvP corp who had hunted us in lowsec. We ended up getting protection and they got steady minerals. Eventually the PvP vets locked dow the whole region and several industry corps worked and missioned there. This could work
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#51 - 2014-04-20 17:01:32 UTC
That's great to hear actually. Send me a mail with any questions. I'm really flexible with this. I'm sure we can work out an understanding custom made for whatever your needs may be.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#52 - 2014-04-20 18:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Jerr
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Michael Mach wrote:
I would be lots more interested if I had more specifics, mainly on price. A Google Doc spreadsheet would be most welcome.



Issue is in 0.0 renting you have a price for each system. Since this sort of renting doesn't limit you to one system in that manner, it's impossible to just give you a number. I can't say "Abath is worth X." Payment is also a very fluid concept rather than a hard fee. I'm thinking of offering discounts per month based on alternate methods of payment. Maybe a member wants to buy a dread and if you provide it at a discount, part or all of the rental fee is dropped. Perhaps we need a bunch of materials hauled somewhere. Helping us would earn a discount. I prefer to do things in an "eastern market" manner where you haggle a bit over the price rather than the "western model" where the price is the price. That way both parties are interested in a discourse. Mail me to talk.


That's really interesting if it involve some sort of exchange too rather than only and simply a isk price. As Mara Pahrdi I will wait for the summer expansion first and will consider your offer since I'm located in Kor-Azor and also roam in Khanid.

Bump Cool
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#53 - 2014-04-22 20:04:08 UTC
LOL.

Epic win.

Since there will be more duders in Aridia, I may end up putting up Cytoserocin orders again. Mindflood is pro.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-04-23 15:47:32 UTC
Erm, yay, somewhere new to go hunt carebears and syj (until they get bored and run off with any isk you are stupid enough to give them....
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#55 - 2014-04-23 19:47:42 UTC
Moloney wrote:
Erm, yay, somewhere new to go hunt carebears and syj (until they get bored and run off with any isk you are stupid enough to give them....



Please bring fruitcake.
Amely Miles
Second Exile
#56 - 2014-04-24 16:17:44 UTC
one thing you could do is like others suggested put a fee for system / constellation rented in a spreadsheet.... for instance this system over here has a few moons capable of being mined so i will charge XX (allowing for little bit of profit for the owners) and then so many asteroid belts so Y for that and oh theres a station here so that is a total of z= total rental fee .... rental corp makes isk as well as SYJ and if anyone is manufacturing/mining/moon mining/ratting where there not supposed to be then set them red and kill em and collect tears from that as well as KB buff

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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#57 - 2014-04-24 22:03:14 UTC
What happens when two of your "renters" have a falling out and become enemies of each other? Which one do you protect and which do you shoot? Or would you maintain neutrality and let them work it out themselves? I can't imagine you want to spend a large portion of your time mediating....
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#58 - 2014-04-24 22:18:48 UTC
Amely Miles wrote:
one thing you could do is like others suggested put a fee for system / constellation rented in a spreadsheet.... for instance this system over here has a few moons capable of being mined so i will charge XX (allowing for little bit of profit for the owners) and then so many asteroid belts so Y for that and oh theres a station here so that is a total of z= total rental fee .... rental corp makes isk as well as SYJ and if anyone is manufacturing/mining/moon mining/ratting where there not supposed to be then set them red and kill em and collect tears from that as well as KB buff


Again this isn't just a copy of a 0.0 agreement simply applied in lowsec. It's a unique understanding that requires a different approach. Mail me if you're interested and we can talk prices.

Eran Mintor wrote:
What happens when two of your "renters" have a falling out and become enemies of each other? Which one do you protect and which do you shoot? Or would you maintain neutrality and let them work it out themselves? I can't imagine you want to spend a large portion of your time mediating....



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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#59 - 2014-04-24 22:21:47 UTC
That works if the situation is black and white but most tend not to be.

Nevertheless, I'll be watching this develop.
Jattila Vrek
Green Visstick High
#60 - 2014-04-24 23:14:07 UTC
I made offers like this to pirates I knew many months ago, but they were not interested in blueing me even if I paid them. The Khanid region then seemed like a good alternative as it was nice and quiet. Currently I am not interested, but perhaps after the summer expansion. I don't have access to a rorqual right now, so setting up a compression/safe POS in lowsec could be a very good alternative this summer. And it will allow more efficient refining.
- there needs to be a joint intel channel - safety is crucial and intel is key to that
- if I wanted to give this a go this summer I'd want a 'token' rent to start with (I'm thinking 200M for the first month) for me, some alts and maybe some people I can recruit for this venture, or something like a minimum amount for the corp (100M) plus a price per character (10M).
- I really like this idea and might be willing to try it just to see if it is viable, even if I'm going to be the guy paying for it
- possibly it's easier to just start up a corp yourself and charge the members a monthly fee - lowsec is much more accessible for newer players than nullsec (although I hear Goonswarm will transport all my stuff for free)
- Access to fleets could be a plus for some people. Many industrial players do like to join fleets for defending blue assets (POS/POCO) even if they don't like roams and gatecamps (PvP for the sake of PvP). Especially if you can offer experienced FCs.