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So basically you haven't altered your plans from the first dev blog when that **** Dev said that us "little guys" should just use Hi sec planets!

The high tax rates have nothing to do with profit margins, the profit margins will remain the same, it will be a % of the cost of production the same as it is now you ****

The tax rates in 0.0 and low sec are designed to **** off the larger corps and alliances who can afford to install and protect a POCO, so they blow up the high tax interbus one and install their own.

Obviously they will charge themselves nothing and anybody else will be charged whatever they think best, i would imagine same as it is at interbus, any higher and ppl will go elsewhere and there is no point charging less.

So we end up with a situation where the biggest blob around can manufacture PI items for nothing and the small independent players/corps are screwed.

I do.......erm...... did PI in 0.0 NPC space, and think after all the hassle that entails i had the same right to the resources as anybody else in those systems, it seems you at CCP think different.

Wasn't there a blog about making it easier for smaller corps or solo players to move to 0.0 and how it would be made harder for bigger alliances to gank those players so they could get established?

Please could CCP explain to me why you have deliberately stopped me, you fee paying customer with 3 acc, from accessing this game feature in favor of the huge alliances whom i think already have a monopoly of so many resources.

I'm somewhat discouraged to hear the response from Omen through someone besides Omen.

If the idea was to reduce profits, yeah... the new POCOs will get that done. Nothing has been done to address the fundamental problems with the feature, which I'm not surprised about. I've been thinking about it and my problem with it really boils down to this:

Previously, there were many people ninja PI'ing in low-sec. They were able to do this because their CO's were static. After that, it's just about avoiding the pirates. The market has adjusted to the supply available (both in terms of volume of goods demanded/required, and the pricing of said goods). The PI products are integrated into everything in eve these days, besides ships (sort of). This is basically caused by PI goods being used to manufacture and fuel the Player Owned Starbases and sovereignty structures in null sec. Towers are so strongly tied to the price of everything that by increasing the price of PI goods, you are increasing the prices of all goods on the market today (and that's assuming demand doesn't change.) With a new expansion coming out, more players (presumably, based on previous active player counts) will cause a general increase in demand of goods driving prices even higher and exacerbating the problem.

All that being said, my problem is not with the price as determined by the market. Eve's capitalist system ensures that goods sell for what they are worth (in general). By big issue is the availability of PI materials (and correspondingly the volume of produced goods and services). Even in the interim, when stockpiles will be used to supply the needs of Eve (this is also common at the expansion boundaries), this problem will not be apparent. Once the stockpiles are used up, we only have the flow of PI goods from tier 1 producers.

This is the other part of the problem. Because of how PI has been implemented, many of the producers that bring materials into the system are no longer producing or doing so in high-sec to avoid the mess that low-sec will be. This is the volume drop that will cause the corresponding price hikes. Forget the inflation going on with the lack of ISK sinks that I initially thought could cause problems.

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The people against this change all have a piece of this explanation for why we're against it. I'm trying to look at the big picture here based on my experience with the Eve player base. This isn't healthy for the game, and if any of this doesn't look familiar to you, dev's, you need to take another hard look at how you're implementing this feature.

Doesn't sound logical that a costums office gets a percentage of the value of the PI. To me they are providing a service of taking items to and from the planet for you. This fee should be based on volume M3 of the the Import and export. Going down is easier then going up so going up and charging more makes since. They had no part in working and making the product so taking a percentage of the value is not logical. If you import the PI from another source then your not stealing that planets resources and that planet's CO should not get a cut of the PI's value coming in either.

Mikron Alexarr, I half agree with you, it is going to drive the prices up substantially. However changes happen. The anomaly nerff had a similar effect. Making it more dangerous and less profitable. In line with what it should've been. Because any alliance with any sort of intelligence network that players within that alliance could just move systems and continue on doing making money. With the change all the systems that could you make you any money were now easily camped by one or two clocky ships, almost 23 seven. It affected a lot of people people complained about it. But ultimately it was important to balance the risk versus reward and make the game better. This change is no different people are rioting because of the import export tax being 17% that is a lot I will agree but it is necessary to balance the game properly. There is absolutely no risk in high sec to your PI. You're protected by Concord, and dust is not yet so there's no way to blow up the planet infrastructure. So explain to me what the risk was more than 98% profit margin. And I will gladly change sides of this argument but I just don't see the risk.
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I'd like a shiny youtube video to help me understand it better plz?


/popcorn

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Our apologies for not being more prompt with this message, the base prices were changed late in the piece after reviewing a lot of feedback. Still, the information is available now and we are happy with the current course so it is in your hands to see what you can do with it.

It may not have been well communicated but I'd know about the revalued commodities for the pas week, and I was on holiday, barely logging in to eve. These levels of taxation are needed to make pi a viable part of the sov game and many players had been arguing for them for a while. Right now hi-sec producers have lower taxes than anyone using interbus customs
Offices. Yo're not getting singled out, everyone is playing by the same rules and that means prices will adjust to a new mean when the supply and demand settle.

yup, all my fives.

I wonder what the average # of colonies per losec planet is now. And what it will be.

My experience is it's around 1.5 or so, but that may be biased by where I've done most of my losec PI, rather far from the security of hisec. It's also absurdly difficulty to observe other player's colonies, especially on large gas planets. It helps to scan for resources and set the settings to turn the entire planet white, but even then, it's a lot of work and you can miss operations and not realize it.

If you want more interaction -- make it easier to actually observe!