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Sansha Ports vs Level 4 missions
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Zhenya Zivonencia
Un4seen Development
Sev3rance
#1 - 2014-04-13 06:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhenya Zivonencia
Simple.

What do u make more ISK from, Sansha Ports in NULL or from level 4 missions.

I use duel characters. BC and BS
Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#2 - 2014-04-13 08:46:33 UTC
I recently jump cloned to high sec to try level 4s and see if they're all they're cracked up to be. Unless I'm doing something really wrong there's absolutely no way these can make the isk I get carrier ratting in angel anoms in null.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#3 - 2014-04-13 09:00:00 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
I recently jump cloned to high sec to try level 4s and see if they're all they're cracked up to be. Unless I'm doing something really wrong there's absolutely no way these can make the isk I get carrier ratting in angel anoms in null.

Who on earth told you you'd get the same/more from lv4s than from null ratting?

Don't tell me you didn't get the memo from your nullsec overlords that their winging about HS income being OP was just propaganda?

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Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#4 - 2014-04-13 11:01:41 UTC
So many high sec scrubs post about making 100mil per hour on lvl 4s. I wanted to find out if it's true. It isn't.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#5 - 2014-04-13 12:25:19 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
So many high sec scrubs post about making 100mil per hour on lvl 4s. I wanted to find out if it's true. It isn't.

Oh, that.

Yea it's possible. It's not necessarily *fun* but it's possible.

You'd have to be running like almost all V + Implants Pally in Amarr space or Vargur in Minmatar space and loot + salvage at the same time (only until everything is dead so cherry picking). Even better have multiple different ships for the right missions. And also know missions like the back of your hand, drop a lot of missions and have prefits that you can immediately swap to. Know when to blitz or have a mobile depo so you know exactly when to switch fits mid mission (AB, MWD,MJD,None). Location helps (2 Lv4 agents in same station) as does knowing what to buy with your LP.

Possible but aint no nullbear warp in press F1 BS.

And they call Lv4 mission runners mindless carebears (well the good ones at least) Roll

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#6 - 2014-04-13 12:48:38 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
So many high sec scrubs post about making 100mil per hour on lvl 4s. I wanted to find out if it's true. It isn't.


Blitz for sisters.

and yes its more than possible. I can do it with a dominix. Doesn't even need a faction boat.
Darth Kilth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-04-13 15:18:47 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
So many high sec scrubs post about making 100mil per hour on lvl 4s. I wanted to find out if it's true. It isn't.

Oh, that.

Yea it's possible. It's not necessarily *fun* but it's possible.

You'd have to be running like almost all V + Implants Pally in Amarr space or Vargur in Minmatar space and loot + salvage at the same time (only until everything is dead so cherry picking). Even better have multiple different ships for the right missions. And also know missions like the back of your hand, drop a lot of missions and have prefits that you can immediately swap to. Know when to blitz or have a mobile depo so you know exactly when to switch fits mid mission (AB, MWD,MJD,None). Location helps (2 Lv4 agents in same station) as does knowing what to buy with your LP.

Possible but aint no nullbear warp in press F1 BS.

And they call Lv4 mission runners mindless carebears (well the good ones at least) Roll

Well, they do have the advantage of never having to cease making money when hostiles show up, or be making reduced income as you are also busy with some sov war or another.
Sure, more hassle, but rather unlikely to ever be blown up.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#8 - 2014-04-15 05:32:47 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
So many high sec scrubs post about making 100mil per hour on lvl 4s. I wanted to find out if it's true. It isn't.

Oh, that.

Yea it's possible. It's not necessarily *fun* but it's possible.

You'd have to be running like almost all V + Implants Pally in Amarr space or Vargur in Minmatar space and loot + salvage at the same time (only until everything is dead so cherry picking). Even better have multiple different ships for the right missions. And also know missions like the back of your hand, drop a lot of missions and have prefits that you can immediately swap to. Know when to blitz or have a mobile depo so you know exactly when to switch fits mid mission (AB, MWD,MJD,None). Location helps (2 Lv4 agents in same station) as does knowing what to buy with your LP.

Possible but aint no nullbear warp in press F1 BS.

And they call Lv4 mission runners mindless carebears (well the good ones at least) Roll

Well, they do have the advantage of never having to cease making money when hostiles show up, or be making reduced income as you are also busy with some sov war or another.
Sure, more hassle, but rather unlikely to ever be blown up.

Yea this horse is beyond dead so not even going to go there. I think Holgrak Blacksmith's words tell us more about the real state of things than the same old parroted arguments.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-04-15 16:58:26 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
So many high sec scrubs post about making 100mil per hour on lvl 4s. I wanted to find out if it's true. It isn't.

Oh, that.

Yea it's possible. It's not necessarily *fun* but it's possible.

You'd have to be running like almost all V + Implants Pally in Amarr space or Vargur in Minmatar space and loot + salvage at the same time (only until everything is dead so cherry picking). Even better have multiple different ships for the right missions. And also know missions like the back of your hand, drop a lot of missions and have prefits that you can immediately swap to. Know when to blitz or have a mobile depo so you know exactly when to switch fits mid mission (AB, MWD,MJD,None). Location helps (2 Lv4 agents in same station) as does knowing what to buy with your LP.

Possible but aint no nullbear warp in press F1 BS.

And they call Lv4 mission runners mindless carebears (well the good ones at least) Roll

all true, but the most important thing is to invest some time and effort into building a spreadsheet with mission completion times and projected isk/hour/mission. then get your faction standings to >5.0 and decline anything with shit isk/hour.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-04-16 02:17:04 UTC
Remember, LP plays into how much isk you make in L4 missions as well. You will make MUCH more raw isk per tick ratting in null, but when you figure in the LP from level four missions they are much closer. I still think that nullsec ratting will pull more in, but it's not as huge of a difference as is being presented here.
stoicfaux
#11 - 2014-04-16 02:51:04 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:

all true, but the most important thing is to invest some time and effort into building a spreadsheet with mission completion times and projected isk/hour/mission. then get your faction standings to >5.0 and decline anything with shit isk/hour.

Oh, it's not that bad.


As for the OP, YMMV:
Vargur not blitzing: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4218169

Vargur blitzing: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=334784

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#12 - 2014-04-19 14:15:57 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
I recently jump cloned to high sec to try level 4s and see if they're all they're cracked up to be. Unless I'm doing something really wrong there's absolutely no way these can make the isk I get carrier ratting in angel anoms in null.



Carrier rating is indeed more profitable than level four missions. So it should be, you are fielding a two billion ISK asset in dangerous space as opposed to an Ishtar Blitzer fielding a 350m asset in fairly safe space.

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#13 - 2014-04-19 14:29:04 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
So many high sec scrubs post about making 100mil per hour on lvl 4s. I wanted to find out if it's true. It isn't.

How many LP per hour did you get?
How much ISK/lp did you get from your item?

100mil is not imposible, but hard. You need faction BS and a very good item in the lp shop.
Last time I run the numbers I got ~25k LP/h, that is 75mil/h from LP alone with an 3k ISK/lp item. (With a non pimped Tengu)

If your LP shop is crap you get crap ISK/h with mission.


The nice things about anoms is that you don't need to warp around that much. At least no gate jumps. Also no worrie about LP or standing. It's easy money.

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Nolak Ataru
Singularity Expedition Services
Singularity Syndicate
#14 - 2014-04-25 00:39:13 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
I recently jump cloned to high sec to try level 4s and see if they're all they're cracked up to be. Unless I'm doing something really wrong there's absolutely no way these can make the isk I get carrier ratting in angel anoms in null.



Carrier rating is indeed more profitable than level four missions. So it should be, you are fielding a two billion ISK asset in dangerous space as opposed to an Ishtar Blitzer fielding a 350m asset in fairly safe space.


Compare an afktar in nullsec vs a Blitztar in highsec. then we can talk.