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Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#21 - 2011-12-01 02:37:19 UTC
Actually if you really want to get technical Caldrai were fighter based.Big smile
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#22 - 2011-12-01 02:49:03 UTC
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
Actually if you really want to get technical Caldrai were fighter based.Big smile
Proof or it didn't happen :P
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#23 - 2011-12-01 03:02:38 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
Actually if you really want to get technical Caldrai were fighter based.Big smile
Proof or it didn't happen :P


The Caldari hoped their small, fast one-man fighters would run circles around the Gallente ships. From
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=aug01
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#24 - 2011-12-01 03:37:59 UTC
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
Actually if you really want to get technical Caldrai were fighter based.Big smile
Proof or it didn't happen :P


The Caldari hoped their small, fast one-man fighters would run circles around the Gallente ships. From
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=aug01

Touche my friend, which brings me to the question of why do drones and unmanned fighters suck so bad with Caldari, judging from the lore it should be Caldari with the drones and fighters and Gallente with the big slow raven type ships :P
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#25 - 2011-12-01 03:58:59 UTC
Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!

Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!

Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#26 - 2011-12-01 03:59:29 UTC
In order to get the most out of their race, Caldari must train missiles and hybrids.

In order to get the most out of their race, Gallente must train drones and hybrids.

I don't see the problem here.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#27 - 2011-12-01 04:09:56 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!

Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!

Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats.
Your point is negated by the fact that Amarr's primary weapon is lasers, therefore that's what their t3 bc was. Seeing a trend here? Now quit throwing out stupid points that have nothing to do with the subject, please.

Oh and Drones are also Gallente's secondary weapon. Point negated yet again, and useless carebears? Hardly. I have at least three times your kills mate. Kinda negates your carebear argument there.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#28 - 2011-12-01 04:23:04 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
stuff


No, you specifically said beams. And if you actually did have a good understanding of racial weapons systems then you wouldn't have made this topic. Caldari have 2 primary weapons so you can't only train one and expect to fly every new Caldari ship right when it comes out. Sure hybrids suck(ed?), so its understandable that people wouldn't be inclined to train them over missiles, but CCP stated that they would be getting some love, even after Crucible's initial launch. That anyone didn't train them in anticipation of that (especially if it is their own race's weapons) is their own fault.


Besides 8 torps would have either been totally useless or stupidly overpowered Roll
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#29 - 2011-12-01 04:30:17 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
stuff


No, you specifically said beams. And if you actually did have a good understanding of racial weapons systems then you wouldn't have made this topic. Caldari have 2 primary weapons so you can't only train one and expect to fly every new Caldari ship right when it comes out. Sure hybrids suck(ed?), so its understandable that people wouldn't be inclined to train them over missiles, but CCP stated that they would be getting some love, even after Crucible's initial launch. That anyone didn't train them in anticipation of that (especially if it is their own race's weapons) is their own fault.


Besides 8 torps would have either been totally useless or stupidly overpowered Roll





Edited, by beams I meant lasers I apologize for being misleading. They have a primary and a secondary. All their combat ships have missile slots, Except the Naga, however, not all of their ships have hybrid slots. Which makes Hybrids the secondary weapon system, due to missiles being the more prominent weapon system on Caldari ships.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#30 - 2011-12-01 04:54:40 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
They have a primary and a secondary. All their combat ships have missile slots, Except the Naga, however, not all of their ships have hybrid slots. Which makes Hybrids the secondary weapon system, due to missiles being the more prominent weapon system on Caldari ships.


I'm not even taking that reply seriously. If you can't see why then there is no point wasting time here any longer.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#31 - 2011-12-01 05:59:34 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
They have a primary and a secondary. All their combat ships have missile slots, Except the Naga, however, not all of their ships have hybrid slots. Which makes Hybrids the secondary weapon system, due to missiles being the more prominent weapon system on Caldari ships.


I'm not even taking that reply seriously. If you can't see why then there is no point wasting time here any longer.
Of course not. It makes sense so I'm not going to reply to it. Good choice mate.
Kryptos Sanguar
Ascendant Operations
#32 - 2011-12-01 07:39:12 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Berendas wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
They have a primary and a secondary. All their combat ships have missile slots, Except the Naga, however, not all of their ships have hybrid slots. Which makes Hybrids the secondary weapon system, due to missiles being the more prominent weapon system on Caldari ships.


I'm not even taking that reply seriously. If you can't see why then there is no point wasting time here any longer.
Of course not. It makes sense so I'm not going to reply to it. Good choice mate.



I doesn't make sense because your post implies that ships with hybrid weapon bonuses are actually missile ships. Roughly half of Caldari ships have missile bonuses while the other half have hybrid weapons. Ship bonuses determine what type of ship they are, not their hardpoints.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#33 - 2011-12-01 12:35:39 UTC
Confirming the merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, ferox, vulture and rokh have missile bonuses instead of hybrid bonuses.Roll

Seriously, get over it. Half the caldari ships are hybrid boats, specifically favoring railguns rather than blasters. The naga fits in perfectly with that line of ships. A corp mate has one and it's one hell of a sniper BC. In fact it's a hell of a sniper overall. It boasts very impressive DPS at 60-100km and I don't think the other tier 3's will be able to compete with it at those ranges. You can't blame anyone but yourself for failing to realize that caldari are NOT just a missile race and never have been.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#34 - 2011-12-01 12:54:20 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!

Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!

Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats.
Your point is negated by the fact that Amarr's primary weapon is lasers, therefore that's what their t3 bc was. Seeing a trend here? Now quit throwing out stupid points that have nothing to do with the subject, please.

Oh and Drones are also Gallente's secondary weapon. Point negated yet again, and useless carebears? Hardly. I have at least three times your kills mate. Kinda negates your carebear argument there.



Three times my kills???????????????

Guess that makes my opinion useless.

Or it makes you a moron for thinking that matters.

You decide!

Hint: you're a moron.
Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-12-01 15:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Anshio Tamark
Midori Tsu wrote:
But you are wrong, caldari do use hybrids, look at the ferox, rokh, cormorant and assorted frigates.

And which of these has a damage-output higher than "splashing water on enemies"?

Midori Tsu wrote:
If they can't use a ship of their own race because don't have the skill for it, it means that they are poorly skilled and should realise that theres more to caldari than just missiles.

Or just buy a Drake? At least that doesn't look like a cheap knock-off of the Megathron and Rifter.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#36 - 2011-12-01 20:11:13 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!

Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!

Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats.
Your point is negated by the fact that Amarr's primary weapon is lasers, therefore that's what their t3 bc was. Seeing a trend here? Now quit throwing out stupid points that have nothing to do with the subject, please.

Oh and Drones are also Gallente's secondary weapon. Point negated yet again, and useless carebears? Hardly. I have at least three times your kills mate. Kinda negates your carebear argument there.



Three times my kills???????????????

Guess that makes my opinion useless.

Or it makes you a moron for thinking that matters.

You decide!

Hint: you're a moron.
You do realize that you called me a carebear. So I responded with the fact that I'm sitting around 800 kills where as you're sitting around 200 which would make you a care bear as well.

Also you do realize how stupid you are right? You call me a carebear and I defend myself stating the amount of kills I have, and you turn around and say that I am somehow saying that means your opinion doesn't matter?
I said nothing of the sort and you for some reason can't comprehend that.


King Rothgar wrote:
Confirming the merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, ferox, vulture and rokh have missile bonuses instead of hybrid bonuses.

Seriously, get over it. Half the caldari ships are hybrid boats, specifically favoring railguns rather than blasters. The naga fits in perfectly with that line of ships. A corp mate has one and it's one hell of a sniper BC. In fact it's a hell of a sniper overall. It boasts very impressive DPS at 60-100km and I don't think the other tier 3's will be able to compete with it at those ranges. You can't blame anyone but yourself for failing to realize that caldari are NOT just a missile race and never have been.


I clearly said several times that Hybrids are the SECONDARY weapons system. Learn to read before you come in here and try to troll like you're johnny bad ass or something. And it's not one hell of a sniper ship honestly, it rolls appx 600 dps with maxed out skills with decent tracking at 80km. Aint exactly amazing there.

As stated multiple times before, I am not saying Caldari do not use hybrids, but all of those hybrids have missile slots. The Naga doesn't. Second point, every other race got a new bc geared towards their main weapons system. Caldari did not.

I appreciate the bumps guys, but at least try to throw out an argument that holds water rather then some half ass paraphrased excuse for an argument.
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#37 - 2011-12-01 20:11:20 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Hellz Hitman wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!

Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!

Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats.
Your point is negated by the fact that Amarr's primary weapon is lasers, therefore that's what their t3 bc was. Seeing a trend here? Now quit throwing out stupid points that have nothing to do with the subject, please.

Oh and Drones are also Gallente's secondary weapon. Point negated yet again, and useless carebears? Hardly. I have at least three times your kills mate. Kinda negates your carebear argument there.



Three times my kills???????????????

Guess that makes my opinion useless.

Or it makes you a moron for thinking that matters.

You decide!

Hint: you're a moron.
You do realize that you called me a carebear. So I responded with the fact that I'm sitting around 800 kills where as you're sitting around 200 which would make you a care bear as well.

Also you do realize how stupid you are right? You call me a carebear and I defend myself stating the amount of kills I have, and you turn around and say that I am somehow saying that means your opinion doesn't matter?
I said nothing of the sort and you for some reason can't comprehend that.


King Rothgar wrote:
Confirming the merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, ferox, vulture and rokh have missile bonuses instead of hybrid bonuses.

Seriously, get over it. Half the caldari ships are hybrid boats, specifically favoring railguns rather than blasters. The naga fits in perfectly with that line of ships. A corp mate has one and it's one hell of a sniper BC. In fact it's a hell of a sniper overall. It boasts very impressive DPS at 60-100km and I don't think the other tier 3's will be able to compete with it at those ranges. You can't blame anyone but yourself for failing to realize that caldari are NOT just a missile race and never have been.


I clearly said several times that Hybrids are the SECONDARY weapons system. Learn to read before you come in here and try to troll like you're johnny bad ass or something. And it's not one hell of a sniper ship honestly, it rolls appx 600 dps with maxed out skills with decent tracking at 80km. Aint exactly amazing there.

As stated multiple times before, I am not saying Caldari do not use hybrids, but all of those hybrids have missile slots. The Naga doesn't. Second point, every other race got a new bc geared towards their main weapons system. Caldari did not.

I appreciate the bumps guys, but at least try to throw out an argument that holds water rather then some half ass paraphrased excuse for an argument.
Xtover
Cold Moon Destruction.
#38 - 2011-12-01 20:43:35 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:

I clearly said several times that Hybrids are the SECONDARY weapons system*. Learn to read



*citation needed.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2011-12-01 21:34:50 UTC
Hellz Hitman wrote:

As stated multiple times before, I am not saying Caldari do not use hybrids, but all of those hybrids have missile slots. The Naga doesn't. Second point, every other race got a new bc geared towards their main weapons system. Caldari did not.

I appreciate the bumps guys, but at least try to throw out an argument that holds water rather then some half ass paraphrased excuse for an argument.


First, none of the Tier 3 battlecruisers sport a second weapon system, so the Naga is in line with the rest of the Tier 3 Battlecruisers.

Second, the Naga, like the other Tier 3 Battlecruisers, was built for PVP combat. CCP also decided that it was a good idea to give the Caldari a serious PVP ship because the Ferox is woefully underpowered as both a railgun and blaster platform. On the other hand, the Caldari have what many consider to be the best Battlecruiser in the game, the Drake. The Drake is a solid performer as a missile launcher, and mounts substantial damage and tanking advantages. The big problem is that missile systems, at range, take too much time to reach their target. So, CCP gave Caldari a really good Railgun platform because it needed one. You should be giggling with joy over the fact that it makes a pretty decent blaster platform too.

So, if you are upset that CCP actually gave you some real, substantial PVP ship choices.. be my guest.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2011-12-01 21:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Orakkus
Double post

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander