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Yeah, however the issue with that is a survey scanner removes a key module slot in the mids, so you have a choice again between mining efficiency and tank, for me tank is more important and I would think the same is true of the person you replied to.

Well he was explaining one of the benefits of null sec asteroids as compared to hisec, in hisec you have to fit for anti-gank tank, while in 0.0 its sustained tank, as the ships are shield based the scanner is something that one cannot really do in either area to be honest.

CCP needs to make one change to the Skiff, it needs an utility high so a cloak could be fitted, if they did that and did some hidden mining sites then people would mine more in 0.0. A Venture does not cut it to be honest, I tried it and it has to warp out continuously.

Today we had a meeting, it was a bit delayed but eventually we managed to address some issues.

As we stated at the start of this thread the idea was to have a more organised inner core, so to help make ourselves more organised we have decided to create a core alliance for Hub Zero, as a result I have left Pirate Nation and will be forming the new alliance during the next week. the alliance will be open to those that have become trusted and have worked or want to work as part of what we call the core group within Hub-Zero. However people do not have to join the alliance to be +10 and part of the core group. The existing structure of +5 alliances, corps and characters will still be maintained as currently, but it was felt having an alliance will make it easier to administrate and organise.

We have three names for the alliance which we will decide on during this week.

We will start doing some organised roams and will be more aggresive in patrolling our space.

The ethos of having relaxed people doing as they want as +5's is at the core of the Hub-Zero project and that is not changed, all we are doing is strengthening our structure so we can improve.

what was the other game out of curiosity?

The venture has a utility high slot that can be used to fit a cloak and therfore not have to warp out continuously.

So far not many of us have got killed, in fact so far since I have been here I have only lost cyno ships but have killed a Domi, a Talos, two Hurricanes, a Drake, an Enyo, a Thorax and a Helios. So I suppose I am getting some people killed, people who come in to attack us

I think it needs to be said so that people are clear about how we operate in 0.0, you will always get campers and roamers in 0.0, some of them are after kills and others are into area denial, some want both. Hub-Zero's area of operation is made up of 12 systems, and it is pretty obvious which ones they are, in this area we attempt to exert a certain amount of control, in some areas the level of control is more limited. That we have campers makes no difference to us in terms of that, we can still move to other systems, do sites etc., in fact the campers are largely ineffective, so much so that one has taken to dropping Mobile Depots to make comments about Hub-Zero.

There was one thing he did say which I need to address and that is in terms of the structure of Hub-Zero, it is a coalition, there are multiple alliance within Hub-Zero, multiple corps and multiple characters, all blued up, the alliance that we created is designed to be only made up of very trusted people who are committed to Hub-Zero, the alliance is expected to be small and to develop slowly, so going on about that makes no difference to us the size of Second-Dawn is not the size of Hub-Zero.

Also because its a loose group of people who use the blue status, many of them operate in multiple areas, if they get camped or feel that there are too many dangers they will go to another operating area, but they are still part of Hub Zero and will be back as they feel like it and we are happy with that.

We have assessed Unforgiving and their risk adverse nature means that they only drop when they are utterly certain, furthermore they have to setup for it in terms of distance, their risk is only really significant in the US TZ, with a certain risk in later UK, we also know who to watch out for.

Stain Empire, very limited because they relay on one very well known to us campy cloaker, they have limited capacity at the moment and all their BLOPS are known to us.

The biggest issue for us is Southern Federation, there is one person who for me is very high risk and sadly he seems to be in the area. Kat Ahashion is one of his toons, I need to assess the level of force that he can call upon now, before he was well setup with multiple BLOP's and backup caps and was not afraid to drop on people.

We still continue to grow and we have developed a nice friendship with a Ukranian / Russian alliance.

I am impressed with the Hubs progress and it's great to have so many people devoted to this.

This is a great venture and I feel it has the potential to be big.

Second Dawn was created in order to facilitate the protection of Hub Zero members and their assets. Speaking honestly, Dracvlad and I are happy to keep our alliance with just me and him in it, we are not actively recruiting and Dracvlad has mentioned that the role of our alliance is to help the community of blues.

I wish the Hub Zero Coalition good luck, may we prosper and become an important part of Eve Online.

It got nerfed really badly, in effective you have to double the amount of ratting to produce the same, it is a nerf of 50%, which is a massive kick in the nuts, this is how independent players were getting their ships in NPC 0.0, we all know what happened to ninja mining don't we, and we all know what happened to specialist exploration runners, just add gun mining in NPC 0.0 to the list of niche casualties, now we have people with standings to setup hisec POS's, perhaps a vast number of hisec industy players who find having to move BPO's around kills their enjoyment to such a degree they drop out, who knows.

But the break did me a lot of good, those additional industrial changes I detailed above had no impact on my attitude at all, the break was good for me, the first real one since I started playing in 2009.

Your throw away comment was an attempt to look smart, it just made you look foolish...

You posted a comment about it being easy for me to get disillusioned, which could be taken as being about Hub-Zero, while in fact my burn out was in regards to Eve as a whole. It seemed strange that you homed straight in on that to make a comment, but I will take your word for it that you were not having a dig even though it really looks that way and apologise.

About the alliance, it was always my intention to have an alliance at some point, your comment made sense to me at the time, both Aaron and I thought it would be a good idea to have an alliance for the core group, though it was never felt that people had to be in the alliance to be core. At one point it looked like I could use Pirate Nation for it, however many people in Hub-Zero did not like the name, it would have saved me a billion, but anyway... We did not want people to think that they had to join the alliance, that is not what we are about.

We knew that as soon as we created an alliance that people would home in on the size or lack thereoft to make comments about Hub Zero, and people would use that to put us down, however once we came to what I saw as effective size and realised that we needed to get a more official look to get organised better I splashed the cash.

It may well fail, the first problem for me is that I cut into my seed money for the market getting the JF and setting up this alliance, other people are starting to do industry and the market, but its not where I hoped it to be and of course we have -A- Solar and STFU coming in strength to Stain, this will make things fun. But numbers wise and quality of the people I am more than happy...

EDIT: Aaron's post after this nailed it, the fact is that you went and did an attack post on me personally, and then went all butt hurt at my response as if I was unreasonable and you were so reasonable. Do an attaclk post in this thread and I will call you out on it and put the matter straight and if you get butt hurt over it then I am sorry for making you butt hurt, but I will do it if your post deserves it.