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Trade War Threatened
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Lunatic Shakhid
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-01 12:38:32 UTC
Some dude recently threatened me with trade war if I didn't remove a buy order he didn't like. He claimed that he had been trading for six years and owned the region in which my 2-jump order had been placed. He was very abusive, and seemed to think that he was the only "real trader" around.

I searched my database, which contains a quarter of a million trades dating back to 2005, and found that he had done a total of 22 trades with my corporation, all this year and mostly in July. Each trade was for small amounts of salvage with a total value of 175m. In that same time period that I have traded 500bn with other clients.

What's the best way to trash the market in his region for the items he trades, in such way that hurts him and benefits what will be his former clients? For example, should I put up a massive buy order above the Jita bid price and dump large quantities of stock purchased from Jita onto his regional market at below the Jita ask price?

If I set a one-pip spread between my buy and sell orders will this be the most effective way of keeping him out of the market for as long as my stock lasts?

Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#2 - 2011-12-01 13:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tekota
Seriously, just keep doing what you're doing. If one buy order is enough to get his knickers in a twist then it's obvious you don't need to do much do disrupt him or raise his blood pressure.

Ignore and carry on. Going into things with the aim of destroying someone else tends to make one forget the importance of just making profit, so just carry on, make profitsis and if that pisses him off enough to start making silly mistakes then that's his problem. The moment you let emotion into these things the bottom line is put at risk - he's already fallen for that trap, I'd advise against you doing the same.



That was the sensible answer. The waargh rage answer would likely involve many ganks. If he's getting grumpy at region orders then presumably he has to pick all that junk up at some point - either with courier contracts or doing it himself. Find out which then launch the shark & laser combo at him.
Dark Motoko
Tactical Grace.
Vanguard.
#3 - 2011-12-01 13:10:29 UTC
Agreed. It's a little tricky and time consuming to track someone elses actions on a market, so finding out where you can really hurt him might be unreliable and take time away from your own ventures. If you're looking to upset him, I'd say just increase the orders that bothered him in the first place, and all power to you.
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#4 - 2011-12-01 14:04:43 UTC
I think you should respect those that have been around longer then you have been, you don't **** in someone else backyard.
Pack up your operation and move away is the only rightful thing to do...
Ilinea
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-12-01 15:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilinea
Those being around longer don't have and can't claim any special rights as their owns, just for having been around longer.

If someone threatens you because you start picking into his markets and locations, it's up to him to do something against you. In no way I would package my things and leave, just because he thinks he has older rights. @Tom: This has nothing to do with respect, this is business as usual.

And if he wants market war... well, if you are a professional trader then you will know what you will have to do ;)

May the better one win lol

They told me to mine... and I started to mine, the market ;)
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#6 - 2011-12-01 15:52:45 UTC
Laugh and undercut him by 10% just because.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#7 - 2011-12-01 19:25:06 UTC
After several years of trading, I got my first ragemail similar to yours a few months back. He doesn't trade in my market anymore. Bear

Traders be tradin'.
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#8 - 2011-12-01 19:33:19 UTC
@Ilinea: No, I am pretty sure on this one. I think anyone that hasn't been around as long as me should only buy my overpriced goods to support me. Because I am Awesome!

Thank you for the support btw!
Ghoest
#9 - 2011-12-01 19:38:02 UTC
I would figure out some stuff he deals in then start trading it for zero profit.

Im the type of guy who will waste his own time to ruin it for everyone if someone acts haughty.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#10 - 2011-12-01 20:08:48 UTC
Tekota wrote:
Seriously, just keep doing what you're doing. If one buy order is enough to get his knickers in a twist then it's obvious you don't need to do much do disrupt him or raise his blood pressure.

Ignore and carry on. Going into things with the aim of destroying someone else tends to make one forget the importance of just making profit, so just carry on, make profitsis and if that pisses him off enough to start making silly mistakes then that's his problem. The moment you let emotion into these things the bottom line is put at risk - he's already fallen for that trap, I'd advise against you doing the same.

This. Esp. the second paragraph.

Or....

Ignore his ragemail (and any other attempted communication), and just keep outbidding his buy orders and undercutting his sell orders, as often as possible, even if only by 0.01 ISK. Put him on your watchlist, so you'll know when he logs on and off. Try to time your order changes to (a) within 5 minutes of his last change, and/or (b) right after he logs off. Making him think you are a market bot will annoy him more than anything else you can possibly imagine. :)
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#11 - 2011-12-01 20:14:55 UTC
hire PRVTR and i will troll him with lazers, and we work cheap too

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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#12 - 2011-12-01 20:37:19 UTC
Tell him to shuv his trading up his arse

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David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#13 - 2011-12-01 20:40:57 UTC
Don't even bother, he might begin to feel mildly important if you take the time to mess with him. Far more insulting to do nothing at all. Plus (and most importantly) it doesn't cost time and ISK.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#14 - 2011-12-01 20:58:53 UTC
Publicly post what specific item(s) he/she is trading in and where (region, system, and station). Guaranteed to mess up any trader's happy little paradise, as the predators and vultures rapidly descend on the cash cow.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#15 - 2011-12-01 21:31:36 UTC

I'm envious, I can't recall every receiving a trade-rage email.

/Wyke wonders what he's doing wrong.
Eddie Laydon
Laydon Industries
#16 - 2011-12-01 21:53:18 UTC
Well im actually on the verge or hiring mercs to gank my own trade rivals Big smile. My advise is: hire mercsto do the same, however be prepared to spend large amounts of ISK.

Trade wars are just another part of the game, as long as you enjoy it - go for it.
Adunh Slavy
#17 - 2011-12-02 00:10:19 UTC
Tell us his name so we can all laugh and point.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#18 - 2011-12-02 00:39:49 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
Publicly post what specific item(s) he/she is trading in and where (region, system, and station). Guaranteed to mess up any trader's happy little paradise, as the predators and vultures rapidly descend on the cash cow.


I like this idea. Escalate the trade war into, I dunno, trade armageddon. It'll probably blow over in a few weeks and he'll either give up or put more entertainment in your mailbox.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#19 - 2011-12-02 04:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
Are you making a profit?

Yes?

then whats the problem?

Edit:

you know this reminds me of this old advanced trading guide I read a while ago.

and here it is lol

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Advanced_trading#Trade_skills_explained

Scroll down to the part that says "Stronger methods"

I think the guy got his instructions from that guide.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#20 - 2011-12-02 05:04:18 UTC
So tell me, if you've been around since 2005 and have traded "over 500bn", why are you apparently not knowledgeable enough to know what to do to destroy someone in a situation like this?

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