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Why lowsec is a ****hole.
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Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#21 - 2014-04-18 09:17:40 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:


Where do you live? I find the question among PVP groups in low sec is not whether they have HG or not, but which one are they in today.

Really if you WL the smartbombers and check local you really don't lose pods, so why not use implants?


Minmatar lowsec, for the most part. Its a true "****hole" and ghetto out here. Maybe youre used to FW farmers? Where I grew up, we were just poor (unsuccessful for the most part) gate campers, trying to scrape by on anoms occasionally. HG implants?...yeah right.

I dont WL anyone, myself. If I meet up with someone out to get me, thats just the way it goes. Considering nowdays I solo hunt, when I get time. Its usually in something small and cloaky. If someone is slow to warp, Im gettin that pod.

No expensive implants here, or jump clones. Jump clones take too long, and I pod express myself a lot.
Plug in Baby
Family Tipes
#22 - 2014-04-18 10:12:34 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:

I dont WL anyone, myself. If I meet up with someone out to get me, thats just the way it goes. Considering nowdays I solo hunt, when I get time. Its usually in something small and cloaky. If someone is slow to warp, Im gettin that pod.


In the busier low sec regions, a short WL of the prolific smartbombers (such as Santo) can save a lot of hassle, cloaky or not you're still at risk, not that they are out to get you it is just what they do. Of course probably not necessary if you don't have expensive pods or live somewhere like MH.

My point is that it doesn't take much effort to preserve a head of implants for a few years in low sec and over time the significant advantages of the various sets does pay off.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-04-18 10:15:02 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Lowsec at the moment, at least in the FW systems offers some of the best solo and small gang pvp. It doesn't need fixing though any change that bought even more pvp would always be welcome.



I totally agree , the only blobs you see is if a milita fleet is roaming or a band of pirates. Offcourse if you're flying around in verry pretty shiny ships you will draw the attention of a blob but that's the same in null-sec .

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#24 - 2014-04-18 11:28:54 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
For a start, I'd consider nerfing how easy it is to warp off safely with implants in lowsec.
I'd go the other way and give pods bubble-immunity so the nullseccers can enjoy expensive implants like everyone else. P


I like this idea!

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#25 - 2014-04-18 11:29:39 UTC
Shrewd Tsero wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
In EVE Online I do a fair amount of solo and small gang pvp— and I'd like to present my theory on why lowsec is a ****hole.


What kind of hole?!?!? Sinkhole? Donut hole? Airhole? Armhole? The suspense is killing me!


Hobbit-hole, I'm pretty sure.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-04-18 12:04:24 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
For a start, I'd consider nerfing how easy it is to warp off safely with implants in lowsec.

Already there, it's called Santo Trafficante. 9,150 pod kills and counting!

Proof that different game mechanics open up fun opportunities for the creative-minded (and dedicated, I should add).


EVE would be pretty boring if all space had the same or very similar mechanics. If you personally prefer nullsec mechanics, just stay in null, right?

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Serene Repose
#27 - 2014-04-18 12:57:25 UTC
Expected to see some new insight. Found the same old same old. Left with no reaction whatevah.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#28 - 2014-04-18 15:16:29 UTC
All "small gang" activities exist by the grace of blobs being not present. Dunno what the OP is on about, I get enough roam action in lowsec. Just gather some intel beforehand so you can dodge the blobs. Oh... you mean actually living there and owning space assets, and carebearing in your own space like people in nullsec do? Then yeah, it's less stressfull to just regard it as nullsec's gutter and not bother too much.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#29 - 2014-04-18 15:25:52 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:

The problem is that fighting in low kills your sec status.


This is not a problem.
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-04-18 16:39:44 UTC
essentially this thread is "whaaaa peoples pods are escaping too much!"

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Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2014-04-18 16:43:29 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:

There are no bubbles to catch capital ships, so using them is much less risky.


Diamond Zerg wrote:
Key ships in lowsec like falcons, link boats, logistics etc are much harder to stop due to the absence of bubbles.


Diamond Zerg wrote:
I've personally found that the solo/small gang "good fights" you find in lowsec are much rarer than in nullsec.


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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#32 - 2014-04-18 18:31:43 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Hi.

In EVE Online I do a fair amount of solo and small gang pvp— and I'd like to present my theory on why lowsec is a ****hole.

Firstly, you have most of the powers of nullsec (cynos, bridges, capitals) and fewer drawbacks.

There are no bubbles to catch capital ships, so using them is much less risky. You can bridge very confidently and not have to worry about your fleet being bombed or caught in a warp disruption sphere.

Key ships in lowsec like falcons, link boats, logistics etc are much harder to stop due to the absence of bubbles.
Implants are very difficult to lose, so many people use high grade ones, which gives them a great advantage.

I've personally found that the solo/small gang "good fights" you find in lowsec are much rarer than in nullsec.

I'm not 100% what the solution to this is. For a start, I'd consider nerfing how easy it is to warp off safely with implants in lowsec.
Keep hisec the way it is with implants, so this "style" of play can continue to exist.



Actually the fact that implants are less likely to be lost in lowsec, gives lowsec groups, which are smaller, some sort of advantage over 0.0 pilots which may often avoid using implants due to the risk of losing them in their 0.0 fights. It's kind of a good balancing act.
Serial Killer X
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-04-18 20:36:20 UTC
There is little wrong with low sec in my opinion except lack of people who want to "small gang" or solo pvp. 3/4th of targets in my experience are people running sites. 1/4th is roaming factional warfare fleets or pirate gangs. Most of the meaningful engagements I have had were usually pirate vs pirate.

There are viable ways to make money complexes, missions, selling market items to pirates etc.

There are viable ways to move items if security is a personal issue for you. *alts, black frog, and 'gasp' teamwork with your
corp mates*
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-04-18 20:59:27 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
For a start, I'd consider nerfing how easy it is to warp off safely with implants in lowsec.
I'd go the other way and give pods bubble-immunity so the nullseccers can enjoy expensive implants like everyone else. P

doing this way you will make EVERYONE use implants.

because they will be cheap as dirt as almost everyone stopped to lose them

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-04-18 21:06:59 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Plug in Baby wrote:


Where do you live? I find the question among PVP groups in low sec is not whether they have HG or not, but which one are they in today.

Really if you WL the smartbombers and check local you really don't lose pods, so why not use implants?


Minmatar lowsec, for the most part. Its a true "****hole" and ghetto out here. Maybe youre used to FW farmers? Where I grew up, we were just poor (unsuccessful for the most part) gate campers, trying to scrape by on anoms occasionally. HG implants?...yeah right.

in my days in Minmatar FW (EpTa team) we knew few smartbombers around and always warned friends if we spotted someone.
And when some pod-kill was shown it usually contained lots of implants....

Personally i got used to NOT warp from gate to gate anyway. And i was podded last time like year ago....

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Corpii Herald
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-04-18 21:09:40 UTC
Lowsec is a shithole because I live there.

But seriously, for what I do (more pirating and killing people running sites than actually fighting people in PVP capable ships) lowsec is okay imo. I don't really do small gang PVP but I imagine NPC null would be more your thing if you're into that and don't want to deal with sec loss. Lowsec is just what it is in that regard.

I WOULD push for making lowsec a bit more lucrative for the carebear that would be willing to risk a bit more for greater rewards, but then again I like to kill people like that so I'm a bit biased.

There is also FW if you really want to PVP in low but really don't like the idea of sec loss.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-04-18 21:13:13 UTC
Corpii Herald wrote:
Lowsec is a shithole because I live there.

But seriously, for what I do (more pirating and killing people running sites than actually fighting people in PVP capable ships) lowsec is okay imo. I don't really do small gang PVP but I imagine NPC null would be more your thing if you're into that and don't want to deal with sec loss. Lowsec is just what it is in that regard.

I WOULD push for making lowsec a bit more lucrative for the carebear that would be willing to risk a bit more for greater rewards, but then again I like to kill people like that so I'm a bit biased.

There is also FW if you really want to PVP in low but really don't like the idea of sec loss.


Join FW for farming sites.
Run complexes in a Tengu.

Lots of money to make in lo sec.

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-04-18 23:19:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alduin666 Shikkoken
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#39 - 2014-04-18 23:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
STUFFZ


Please re read your post. If you need me to correct it for you I will, but please edit so you do not look like you are clueless as well.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-04-18 23:58:39 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
STUFFZ


Please re read your post. If you need me to correct it for you I will, but please edit so you do not look like you are clueless as well.


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