Wormholes

Hey all;

I am considering moving in to a WH, i have a fairly good understanding of mechanics etc, however i am uncertain as the the class of WH to move in to or would best suit us, so i would appreciate some advice.

We will probably be 3-6 ppl (real people), all with alts.

What we would like:

- some PvP ability within the WHs but also PvP outside
- fairly easy access to K-Space as required
- Ability to make good isk to fund the PvP form the WH/Statics

My thoughts:

C2 with C2 or C3/LS static - will this kind of WH bring decent isk opportunities?, i know it will likely offer good PvP but im concerned about can we make enough isk to support ourselves?

C3/LS static - my concern with this is no WH static, again i think the PvP side is ok but do you feel a C2 with a static WH is better than a C3 without for isk making?

C4 - Havent heard anyone say anything good about these tbh?

C5 - We dont really want to move in to a C5 as we prob wont have the capital capacity to defend it, or if we did we would be concerned of heavy fleets rolling in to evict etc if we did have limited capital capacity?

Any advice you experienced WH fellows could offer would be appreciated.

Thanks

If your folks are consistently online together, a C2 with static HS/C4 is a great fit. 2 People is all that is needed to run C4 sites (with alts monitoring any wh connections) and 150 - 300 mil ISK/hr is not at all hard to achieve. C4 is also easy to roll (Y683 2bil wh) great for PVP if you take the time to scan down the chain. And obviously static HS makes logistics and movement a breeze. Also easy to roll a 2 bil B274. While a static C3 is great for ISK, it is equally great for getting ganked as folks tend to solo run sites which leads to complacency and subsequent explosions (and not of the Sleeper variety). Lol. But proper positioning of scouts can make the C3 manageable as well.

Whatever you do, remember that for C4 and below, the best ISK comes from farming your static, not your home. Even HS diving out your HS static, looking for wh to farm, is better and more consistent income.

C2 - can get a little busy with all the other c2 kholes that you are likely to get. Lots of pvp potential. Especially ganking hisec divers.

C3 - no ISK flow from static and probably need a LS or NS in order for it to be empty; however, easy to manage pve. and pvp can be had in static or kholes. Probably easiest solo hole. I don't think it's the best for groups. Easiest

C4 - can be nice, but is not easy for new chars (sub ~8 million). as far as pve goes, most spawns and orbits are 80+ and peak incoming DPS can be 1300-1500 dps. Easiest kspace connection for logistics and best for pvp would be a c3 or c2 static. c4 static would give you lots of pve opportunity, but logistics become a nightmare. and pvp might be difficult to find near home. You would need to risk about a billion for pve with each site paying out about 80-100 million (should take 15-25 minutes).

C5 - it's not as bad as you think. Most won't commit to actually evicting you. downside is that you would need at least a 10 billion ISK fleet to escalate sites fully and maximize ISK (600-800 million ISK). Some of the big groups will expect/demand a sacrifice of sorts. Not sure why. You could look into a c5-c4 or c5-c3? Maybe a few months down the line, but I would consider it now. Lived in a c5-c2 and loved it. those statics also had very manageable mass (1 billion) so it was really easy to rage roll for pvp, logistics, etc.

pretty good advice right there

If by "very well organized", you mean large in numbers...then yes.

I'd say most wormhole groups, by nature, are pretty unorganized. Wormholes tend to attract more of the cowboy types rather than career marine officer.

I know what alliance you are in, so I am very confused as to your underestimation of strong pvp from C5 groups. C5 is probably the highest rate of highskilled pvp players in WHs.

Living in a C4/C4 myself and I can agree that C4 statics are terrible for what he wants. Basically I spend my time scanning out several systems deep for a C1-3 to get out, but often I end up in a 3 chain C4-C4 connection.

Right, C5/NS is a top contender for what he wants. However the nature of C3's being a cross roads for k162 he could get a NS C3 and have much more inside income and outside 0.0 sites with all the pvp he can eat.

NS statics are pretty nice from what I am told because it completely negates the organized warning systems of 0.0 intel.

Anyways, a C2 or C3 is what he wants with a NS exit.

I haven't seen it mentioned, so I'll bite and that is don't forget your PI potential. A lot of isk can be made making the right kind of PI and it takes very little effort.

Move to C6, enjoy eviction, have Ragnarok make thread about how they're so pr0