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[Zaratha Zarati] Statement of Intent

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-04-18 00:45:10 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

It just makes me sad to see such things touted as being the state of affairs, when they apply to such a vanishingly small proportion of the State's population that one might as well not talk about them at all.


No one is innocent of it Pieter. You did the same the last time we spoke.

It is easier than you may think to fall into that trap, especially if you are one of those who are of that minority.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Jinx Kasenumi
Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fan Club
#42 - 2014-04-18 05:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jinx Kasenumi
Letting anyone that is willing to work fall through the cracks in the system is the problem with the system. Minority or not they are still people and deserve the same rights as everyone else. However the larger issue i see is how everyone is more then willing to condemn The Nation without ever experiencing everything that the Nation has to offer you all. People make many assumptions about life in the Nation, but this does not make the lies true. We fight struggle and live just like everyone else, but for our own version of a utopian state. I do not see how this is a crime, everyone seems to let the other empires have a wide birth as to what they do and support. We simply ask for the same thing, maybe our methods are not to the liking of everyone else but that does not mean that the utopia that we and the Master dreams of are wrong.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-04-18 06:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Bryen Verrisai
Jinx Kasenumi wrote:
maybe our methods are not to the liking of everyone else but that does not me the utopia that we and the Master dreams of are wrong.

"Not to the liking" is kind of an understatement, considering Papa Sansha even managed to tick off the Jove.

Getting any reaction from those people is a pretty high accomplishment all on its own, and he inspired them to war.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#44 - 2014-04-18 10:04:07 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
Jinx Kasenumi wrote:
maybe our methods are not to the liking of everyone else but that does not me the utopia that we and the Master dreams of are wrong.

"Not to the liking" is kind of an understatement, considering Papa Sansha even managed to tick off the Jove.

Getting any reaction from those people is a pretty high accomplishment all on its own, and he inspired them to war.


Why is ticking off the Jovians such a bad thing? What suddenly gives them this exalted place in your mind that says that the Jovians are both something to be feared and to be respected?

At one point they were mighty, but since their last ambassador cast himself across the universe in a teleporter "accident" they have either left you to fend for yourselves after starting a failed experiment that is, arguably, far worse than anything I have ever heard of (Let's turn all these people into free roaming and extremely dangerous weapons and then not give them an off switch!), or they are dead and gone, killed by the disease they caused in themselves through uncontrolled experimentation.

They have never been arbiters of moral authority. They have been, at their best, mysterious glowing figures on the horizon that refuse to tell you anything.

Or maybe you're just scared, and understand that your own systems have inherent weaknesses that make you vulnerable to them.

If we are at war with the Jove, then as far as I can tell we are winning.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-04-18 11:06:12 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Why is ticking off the Jovians such a bad thing?

It denotes the extremism and hyper-irregularity inherent in your position. I never explicitly stated that as a bad thing; rather, I implied that if your ideas manage to turn everyone against you, including those who barely care to have a stance or stake in anything else, then you may wish to reexamine your position.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
If we are at war with the Jove, then as far as I can tell we are winning.

You were at war with the Jove (and the empires). You lost.

Frankly, I'm not personally inclined to even view the incursions over the last few years as anything more than cadaveric spasms.
Jinx Kasenumi
Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fan Club
#46 - 2014-04-18 12:50:01 UTC
Perhaps it is extremism in some peoples view point. But history is filled with extreme viewpoints that have become the norm. Not understanding our ideas does not make them extreme, only misunderstood.
Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#47 - 2014-04-18 13:01:04 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
If you remember this, you might also remember that due to personnel issues, Zaratha Zarati effectively stopped operations supporting the Nation.


There's no need to be coy about it, Ghost Hunter kicked the original Zaratha Zarati with no warning or explanation and stole the alliance we formed together.

I can't think why you'd align yourself with such a dishonest coward, or babble the same tired absurdities about "unity", as if things will be any different now. But for the sake of an old friendship, whether or not it still exists, I wish you luck.

Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#48 - 2014-04-18 13:23:17 UTC
Master Kuvakei says that he is The Answer.

I do not Know if that is True, because I do not know what The Question is.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#49 - 2014-04-18 14:14:01 UTC
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Is it this time of the month?



That's a question that only you can answer Siikanen.



I was referring to the clotted menses oozing forth from the OP. I am past that stage of my life.


Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2014-04-18 14:43:46 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Is it this time of the month?



That's a question that only you can answer Siikanen.



I was referring to the clotted menses oozing forth from the OP. I am past that stage of my life.


Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.


Oh, thanks for that Kyllsa. Breakfast has just been enhanced wonderfully...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#51 - 2014-04-18 14:44:42 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.

She is?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#52 - 2014-04-18 18:57:55 UTC
Niraia wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
If you remember this, you might also remember that due to personnel issues, Zaratha Zarati effectively stopped operations supporting the Nation.


There's no need to be coy about it, Ghost Hunter kicked the original Zaratha Zarati with no warning or explanation and stole the alliance we formed together.

I can't think why you'd align yourself with such a dishonest coward, or babble the same tired absurdities about "unity", as if things will be any different now. But for the sake of an old friendship, whether or not it still exists, I wish you luck.



Fair enough, I was coy about it, mainly because I didn't want to rehash the whole thing, after all I still like all of the people involved. I mentioned it however, for two reasons:

The first being that I didn't really want to imply that I was taking credit for the things you did running Z-Z. For example, you were the one who did all of the work on Z-Z's behalf to co-found the alliance. You put forth lots of effort and isk and I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't the one in charge then, I don't want to take away from the accomplishments you had.

The Second reason being that, I wanted to establish for those newer capsuleers who weren't around then that this purpose isn't really new to us, following the Nation is more like coming home than some sort of trend to us, and in order to establish that explaining that bit of history seemed like it would help.

As for Ghost Hunter, I understand why you harbor the sentiments that you do, but Ghost has made it clear to me he is committed to the Nation and to unity. He has also been more than welcoming to us. I trust him, but I fully understand that you don't and why you don't. I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on the nature of who he is.

For what it's worth, I wish you luck as well Niraia. It truly is good to hear from you, and I hope you can understand my feelings and why I made the choices I did, even if you don't agree with those choices.
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#53 - 2014-04-18 19:10:42 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.

She is?


You don't grasp sarcasm all that well, do you?

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#54 - 2014-04-18 19:29:17 UTC
Jinx Kasenumi wrote:
I do not believe that anyone is forced to join the nation...


Those millions of people that you infected with incapacitating nanites and then kidnapped would disagree with you.

Oh, sorry, I guess they can no longer disagree after being implanted and turned into cybernetic zombies.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Anslo
Scope Works
#55 - 2014-04-18 19:49:19 UTC
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.

She is?


You don't grasp sarcasm all that well, do you?

Welp,seems you don't.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#56 - 2014-04-18 20:35:13 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.

She is?


You don't grasp sarcasm all that well, do you?

Welp,seems you don't.


After all this time, and still the best you can up with is "NO U". So works the mind of a simpleton.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Anslo
Scope Works
#57 - 2014-04-18 20:39:23 UTC
You actually think you're worth more than a 'no u?'

Now THAT'S funny. 10/10.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#58 - 2014-04-18 21:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Anslo wrote:
You actually think you're worth more than a 'no u?'

Now THAT'S funny. 10/10.

Nonsense! He's worth 3 'no u'

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-04-18 22:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Foley Aberas Jones
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Anslo wrote:
You actually think you're worth more than a 'no u?'

Now THAT'S funny. 10/10.

Nonsense! He's worth 3 'no u'


Just dunk the bastard and move on with your day is my Agenda


Also i declare my self king of page 4
Jinx Kasenumi
Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fan Club
#60 - 2014-04-19 05:40:05 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Jinx Kasenumi wrote:
I do not believe that anyone is forced to join the nation...


Those millions of people that you infected with incapacitating nanites and then kidnapped would disagree with you.

Oh, sorry, I guess they can no longer disagree after being implanted and turned into cybernetic zombies.



Oh I am certain that no one was infected, they were given a choice to accept enlightenment in its purist form. I myself cannot say i have ever had the honor to assist anyone's ascension myself, but i do hope that someday I can help people find the joy that i have in a similar way.