Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually, we have two Tech 2 Battleship lines, Black Ops, wich can be used as a Mini Titan with the Jumpportalgenerator and Marauderd, wich are good for PVE. these ships have a good tank and can even tank C5 and C6 wormholes.

But what is Missing, is a T2 Battleship class, wich is made for fast Attacks with good Damage, like Assault Frigs and cruisers.


My Idea, add a 3rd Battleship line called Assault Battleships. These ships have very good mobility(less then Machariel and Vindicator, but under 15s algintime without skills), good capmanagement(10-14 cap/s) and lots of PG and CPU, but have high mass(less than black ops, but more then most Battleships in range between 110000t to 120000t), so Afterburners and MWDs wont give full boost and they have low dronecapacity. They also have low raw HP(similar to navy BC), but they will have full T2 resist. A high signature radius makes them easy to hit. All of these ships gets a 50% rolebonus to reduce Microwarpdrive signatureradius.


New skill: Assault Battleships (11x)

Requires: Mechanic V, Navigation V, Advanched Weapon Upgrades V and Electronics V


they are 8 ships, two per race

The first two bonus come from the BS skill, the second from the ABS skill. I dont post there anything from cagot to hp.


Caldari:

Albatros (Kaalakiota Raven)

7.5% to missile launcher Rof
10% to Missile speed

10% to missile flight time
5% to missile explosionradius

Slotlayout: 7/7/6 - 7 launcher, 0 turrets
Speed: 148 m/s
Sig: 550m
Drones 50/50
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 6200/5300/5500

Maverick (Ishukone Rokh)

5% to large hybrid turret damage
10% to large hybrid turret optimal range

10% to large hybrid turret optimal range
5% to large hybrid turret damage

Slotlayout: 7/8/5 - 7 turrets, 2 launcher
Speed: 140 m/s
Sig: 500m
Drones 50/50
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 7000/5000/5000

Gallente:

Gallapagos: (Creodrom Megathron)

7.5% to drone optimal range and tracking
can launch 1 additional drone per skill level

+5km to drone control range
10% to large hybrid turret falloff

Slotlayout: 7/5/8 - 7 turrets, 0 launchers
Speed: 155 m/s
Sig: 500m
Drones: 250/1000 - it can have 10 effective heavy drones(Domi has 7.5)
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 5600/6000/6300

Minotaurus: (Roden Hyperion)

5% to large hybrid turret damage
7.5% to large hybrid turret tracking speed

10% to large hybrid turret falloff
5% to large hybrid turret damage

Slotlayout: 7/6/7 - 7 turrets, 0 launcher
Speed: 163 m/s
Sig: 475m
Drones 50/50
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 6000/6000/6500

Minmatar:

Oblivion: (Boundless Maelstrom)

5% to large projectile turret rof
7.5% to large projectile turret tracking

10% to large projectile turret falloff
5% to large projectile turret damage

Slotlayout: 7/8/5 - 7 turrets, 3 launcher
Speed: 165 m/s
Sig: 490m
Drones 50/50
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 6500/6000/5500

Ganesha: (Core Complexion Typhoon)

5% to large projectile turret rate of fire
5% to large projectile turret damage

10% to large projectile turret optimal range
7.5% to large projectile turret tracking

Slotlayout: 7/6/7 - 0 launcher, 7 turrets
Speed: 173 m/s
Sig: 440m
Drones: 50/50
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 5700/6000/5400


Amarr:

Hades: (Carthun Armageddon)

5% bonus to large energy turret damage
10% to large energy turret optimal range

5% to large energy turret rof
7.5% to large energy turret tracking speed

Slotlayout: 7/5/8 - 7 turrets, 0 launcher
Speed: 150 m/s
Sig: 500m
Drones: 50/50
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 4800/7200/6200

Perseus: (Kahnid Abaddon)

5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire
5% bonus to missile damage

10% to missile speed
5% to missile explosion radius

Slotlayout: 7/6/7 - 7 launcher, 7 turrets
Speed: 158 m/s
Sig: 460m
Drones: 50/50
HP:(shield/armor/hull) 4300/6400/5800

let me know, what you think

There's several reasons there isn't an assault BS line yet, namely it means a return to alpha doctrines because it would be so hard to kill them otherwise.

Also, to be pedantic and fighty your names are bad; a maverick is usually a cow not a bird, Amarr would never call something they touch Hades, and calling a ship a Koran is blatantly stupid and potentially inflammatory given their habits of blowing up.

When creating new ships CCP always looks for a role and/or specific purpose for the ships a raison d'être so to say. Just adding ships that are more powerful than the ships they're coming from would add a power creep which CCP has tried to avoid for ten years.

For example, I had the idea of Fleet Assault Battleships that lend support in activities and tactics useful in (larger) fleets, though I think the designs were a bit 'out there' looking back at them.

I like your ideas and to respectfully disagree with another poster I really like the names you chose. I think it should be limited to just a T2 version of the Tier 3 BS line though. I feel like for the most part the Bastion module really makes Marauders close to what you're proposing. A nice bonus to the tier 3 being bonused to tank with some extra damage potential with the T2 version is probably fairly generic though. If CCP wants to take that idea and expand on it however, I feel like there is potential.

Epix 4 ma Eve?

I made, based on feedback some changes here:

- The albatros loses one hi-slot and a launcher slot and gets one low slot
- The shieldboost bonus gets replaced to a missile flight time bonus, so it can launch torps over an insane range, like a giant cerberus
- The albatros rof bonus got increased to 7.5% per level and its base speed got reduced to 148 m/s (was 161 m/s)

- the base speed of the maverick got reduced to 140 m/s (was 155 m/s)
- The 10% damage bonus got splitted into two 5% damage bonuses, one of them replaces the shield resist bonus

- The speed of the Gallapagos got reduced to 155 m/s (was 172 m/s)
- The gallapagos got one additional hi-slot and 3 turrets, but looses its launchers
- replaced the armorbonus to a 10% falloff bonus to large hybrid turrets
- reduced the bandwith to 200

- Reduced speed of the minotaurus to 161 m/s (was 177 m/s)
- Slpitted the 10% damage bonus into two 5% bonuses, one replaces the armor repair bonus
- looses one hi-slot and turret slot, gets one mid slot

- Reduced speed of the Oblivion to 165 m/s (was 195 m/s)
- Replaced the shieldboost bonus with a tracking bonus

Massive changes to the Koran:
- Its name got changed to Ganesha
- The Battleship bonus are a 5% to damage and rof of projectile turrets
- The Assault Battleship skill gives 10% to optimal range and 7.5% to tracking, so this ship is like the Muninn in large
- See in the ppost for all changes

- Reduced the speed of the hades to 150 m/s (was 170 m/s)
- replaced the tankbonus to a optimal range bonus

- replaced the armor repair bonus on the perseus to a explosion radius bonus




What else i did:

- Added information about the raw HP (without skills)
- Gave all ships, except the Gallapagos 50 m3 dronebay and 50 mbit bandwith

- to compensate the loss of the base speed, these ships get 25% to warpspeed, so they get 2.75 Au/s, wich is command ship warpspeed


before you Ask:

Q: why i have removed all the tanking bonuses?
A: because these ships are primary for fast attacks, so they have to do good damage and shouldnt be too hard to kill, as you can see on the assault cruisers and frigs, only a few have bonuses to repair or resists (Deimos, Vagabond and Eagle)

Q: Is it a buff or nerf to splitt the 10% Damage bonuses into two 5% bonuses?
A: No, the number of effective turrets gets increased from 10.5 to 10.9 on the Maverick and get reduced from 11 to 10.9 on the Minotaurus, wich is less than 1% loss in dps.

Q: Why does none of the ships have an utility hi-slot?
A: see the first question, i basically did that, that these ships can fit more tanking modules because of no tanking bonuses and low hp.

Q: why i replaced a low to a mid slot on the Oblivion?
A: because that ship shouldnt replace the Machariel.

Q: why i reduced the base speed of these ships to exactly the same as theyr racically battlecruisers?
A: Because they were a bit too fast, even with theyr high mass, they can reack 2000 m/s with ease with low loss on agility.

look at you, doing your own pach notes,

I really can't make up my mind whether this is an awesome or horrible idea. It's quite possibly both.

In my mind, Assault Battleships would either be something like a T3 cruiser - Heavy tank, highly mobile, small, able to rip normal battleships apart up close (that role is already filled by T3's) - or a battleship designed to take on dreads. The third thing that comes to mind, the tanky heavy fire support role, already exists in Marauders.

These seem to be... Battleship, now with extra guns & speed! (Well, extra firepower, anyway.)

That said... I like fast, mobile battleships... So the idea does give me a bit of a smile. I think they need an actual role, though.

Marauders are what Assault Battleships should be. Just copying the assault ship concept from frigates and cruisers to battleships isn't really the way they should be done. They either end up knocking Assault Cruisers or normal battleships down as fleet doctrines. To avoid this and get something that offers real variety, local tank, ewar immunity and ability to make better use from BS sized system, MJD, is essentially just the right way.


I wouldn't mind having another four marauders though.

But Marauders...

... have bad mobility
... dont have good capacitor management (except the paladin)
...cant move while in bastion mode
...dont have full T2 resist


So, there is a lot of difference between my Assault Battleships and Marauders