EVE General Discussion

Here is the thing... If you want PVE... You can go to STO.

It's free to play, has absolutely no unanticipated conflict, scamming is against the rules & has far better PVE.

EVE is just fine the way it is. I play a lot of different games, depending on my mood. I don't run around the forums of any of them yelling for them to change the base principles of the game. I've never posted on the STO forums, hey, we need to be able to gank! (Well, I've never posted on the STO forums at all, actually.)

EVE is dark, and the free-wheeling nature of it is what makes it great. Anything that runs contrary to that... I'm not too keen on. I don't mind there being high-sec, but there must be risks. It's a bit too boring there as it is.

If you actually know what you're doing, it's quite easy to avoid all conflict there, but it does take effort and watchfulness, something that some people lack.

maybe i was being too vague.

this is eve the only way to ensure you dont take any risks is not to log in.

ultra-sec would stop you being able to lock ships without dying. concord as it stands in hisec avenges you death ultra-sec prevents it. ships are not immune to being destroyed. no god mode here just very strict rules to abide by. to my mind this would make eve harder not destroy it.

face it ganking in hisec is easier now than ever before( getting boring!), even sec status tags negate the adverse effects on you

How many ships have you ganked?

Are you talking from real experience here or just blowing air out your arse because you read it somewhere else from someone else that has never ganked anyone, who read it in a post some other person with no experience wrote, etc., etc.

EDIT. Cool, the net nanny doesn't censor arse.

all i hear from that post is please make it easier to kill people its getting too hard and too expensive. you want to make eve easier. you want more targets without the restrictions you have now to me thats you saying put eve into easy mode for me.

Actually he's saying that OPs like yours and your stance, do not take into account the facts of the matter. You spout nonsense and expect us to simply agree.

We have adapted to each and every change, but it seems you cannot adapt to the game and somehow that's our problem?

While I value your right to have your opinion regarding people who desire a playstyle you disagree with, I do not think you have the authority to command who does and who doesn't get to play EvE. That right belong's solely to CCP, not you or any other forum poster.

In the wake of threads dying left and right, this is the one of the very few that's managed to have been posted in regularly and still be allowed to live. From that fact, it's safe to assume that CCP has deemed this discussion about the possibility of introducing a "Ultra-Sec" as a valid topic worthy of continued discussion.

Yours and others suggestions to stop talking about and go play another game goes directly against CCP's interests(which is demonstrated through letting this thread continue) and is a reflection of closed-mindedness.

I value your expressing your opinions, but ultimately your feelings are your own. Others might share similar interests and feelings as yours, but those similarities does not constitute a right to oppress those with differing opinions on the subject at hand.

Ahhh.... But what you are missing is that myself & others who hold this stance, will look for greener pastures if EVE begins to swing to be too risk adverse.

It's not a matter of closed-mindedness. I play this game for certain reasons, and if those reasons disappear, then I shall find another. If I'm in the mood for a PVE game, I have several others I already enjoy and play.

I never said, "you can't play EVE". What I asked was, "Why are you playing EVE, rather than a PVE oriented game, if you want a PVE oriented game?" There is a very big difference in those two things. This is a discussion forum, and we both have a right to give our opinion of the matter at hand, both for and against. The thread has remained open, because it is a valid topic to discuss.

Edit: Fixed quote.

This is a quality thread by a quality poster.

It's the principle of the matter. Once you remove one section from the sandbox, others will follow. Ultima Online took that route, and that's what happened there.

If you read my earlier replies, if what you are talking about is moving the rookie systems into this Ultra-sec... Sure, I'm good with that. Just take out the ore belts... No mining (besides mission deadspace for the actual rookies) & no missions besides the training missions.

Oh, and by the way, I don't attack people unprovoked in high sec. When I pvp, its normally WHs or low-sec. I support the right of others to do so, however. Someone dropping into my mission pocket in high-sec makes my day... when I'm running my high-sec persona.

Everything is constantly changing. Nothing is now how it use to be. EvE itself has changed. It's not what it use to be. Is it better or worse? That's open to interpretation, judged by the individuals who've experienced and reflect on them and how it is now.

Converting 19 High Security systems, or even the introduction of 19 brand new "ultra-sec" systems would not prevent anyone from not being able to participate in their already established playstyles, or desired playstyles within the confines of EvE's current limitations, from continuing to play the game how they see fit UNLESS they choose to enter the "ultra-sec" system, which would be their choice.

Introducing "Ultra-Sec" could be considered content addition. Not allowing it could be considered stifling CCPs potential additions of content to the EvE universe.