EVE General Discussion

Which missions would you be running?

For your convenience I've bolded and italicised the bits that would prevent it; station services includes mission agents, of all types, btw.

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Nope. You're the one who keeps claiming that facts are the same as my opinions. It's very sweet and flattering, but you still need to learn the distinction. In particular, you need to learn what a fact is and what the facts of any particular subject matter are.

So: the fact is that, due to the fairness design of the game, such an area can't and never will exist. If you don't understand why this is a fact, just ask — don't choose to remain wilfully ignorant by trying to equate it with an opinion.

well that's just tipia expressing his opinion a bit out of proportion to what op suggested. Iirc, hauling an item does not give you any sort of flag, so there is that.

I find it funny how the OP said you can't lock a player ship, but runs incursions. Did he forget how to logi?

Ah Tippia classic black and white with you. We all know the OP is referring to a zone much like in wow where players can't attack each other. This does not include stealing other players rats, drops, astroids or under cutting their sell orders.

To question your trolling, by your logic why wouldn't one be allowed to collect cargo, shoot rats or mine in their own little dead space mission pocket.

You also forgot to remove chat wouldn't want text pvp to happen

Yes nerf highsec.

Although logical, it serves no purpose. Tipia's word is the definition of truth, in his eyes, and nothing you do will sway his opinion.

Now, back to the subject matter. How would ultrasec impact the market, playerbase, and content creation of the game as a whole?

Nope. If it was dependant on my idea of fairness, highsec would hardly even exist.

Nope. You're the only one equating the two by trying to say that facts are the same thing as my opinion.

No, I'm stating facts about how the game works, in particular how all opportunities of interaction are inherently reciprocal.

This idea, and indeed any idea about not participating in PvP, relies on removing that reciprocity in actions and effects.

Once again, no you aren't. Its your opinion, and that's fine. Its not a fact. Unless you can prove it. I said earlier that mission hauling did not flagged you, and you said something about market PvP. That, for starters, is not what the OP said, thus has no place in this conversation, along with several of the points you pulled out of your ass. Second, mission hauling aka courier missions do not place items on the market.

If I were to guess, which that's all this is, my speculation, there are no defined parameters listed with the OP's post stating how many systems this "ultra sec" area would consist of.

I'd say the market prices would drop a bit. Ore would definitely be mined bare which would cause the lower quality ore to suffer a loss in value due to an indestructable influx originating from the area. It would result in lower prices, varying depending on the complexity of the build requirements of, I'd guess every item in the game. Would it be severe? Maybe, maybe not. I think the idea of it would be more severe than the actuality of it though.

Regarding the player base, I believe it would be a double edged sword. People who desire complete safety would probably make use of it, resulting in their, at least initial, happiness increasing. If they felt like stepping into the realm of possibility, they could make the choice to migrate to high sec, and perhaps beyond if they so desired. The bleeding would be from those who's desire within EvE is to attack people who do not wish to be attacked, because that very herd of prey has become invulnerable rendering their outlet of enjoyment to no longer exist. That portion of the player base would probably decrease, being unable to adjust their enjoyment with eve to other outlets eve offers.

Content creation, I'm going to assume you mean player driven content creation and not CCP content creation. CCP content creation being unknowable even in the game's current state, non-ultra sec state. Pertaining to the portion of the player base who's prerogative it is to attack people who's desire is to not be attacked at that point in time, well their crying about it would create alot of content.

Imagine all the threads on the forums of people complaining they can't attack all the people in ultra sec. It would be a role-reversal. The prey's complaints about being preyed upon were regarded by themselves as "valid concerns" while the predators interpretation was that of "crying". Now the predators complaints, to them being "valid concerns" would now be regarded by the prey as "crying. It would be amusing.

I don't know though, just my speculation.