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How in Heavnes name do you FIND asteroids?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2014-04-17 15:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Cara Forelli wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.


You can mine from anywhere, as long as you warp to the location before turning in the mission.
Now that I didn't know, TY for the correction.

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Iria Ahrens wrote:
non rookies should only come into system to help rookies, buy and sell goods, recruit, drop message cans, or request/run missions.


I'm sure no one would ever take advantage of the market in rookie systems. Big smile
I give back occasionally, I'll often drop a bunch of frigates from a hauler in newbie systems, only seems right when I'm low balling my buy orders for their loot.

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Kronenbourg Strasbourg
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-04-17 15:10:14 UTC
TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7!

Can't think of anything worse!

CoolTwisted
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#23 - 2014-04-17 16:54:16 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.


You can mine from anywhere, as long as you warp to the location before turning in the mission.

Iria Ahrens wrote:
non rookies should only come into system to help rookies, buy and sell goods, recruit, drop message cans, or request/run missions.


I'm sure no one would ever take advantage of the market in rookie systems. Big smile


Markets are made to exploit, just don't make it impossible for rookies to complete tutorial missions.

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#24 - 2014-04-17 16:55:41 UTC
Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:
TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7!

Can't think of anything worse!

CoolTwisted


They will most likely be AFK or ISBoxing miners both of which I dislike intensely. Far too many of them around. There has been a massive resurgence in jetcanning as well. Sad
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2014-04-17 17:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:
TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7!

Can't think of anything worse!

CoolTwisted


They will most likely be AFK or ISBoxing miners both of which I dislike intensely. Far too many of them around. There has been a massive resurgence in jetcanning as well. Sad
Sounds like a job for the Knights of the New Order tbh.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-04-17 19:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.


the mining mission spawns a dedicated pocket that you can warp to directly

it has enough rocks in it to complete the mission
iirc 1 'real minable asteroid' and 2 'non-minable scenery asteroids'

2 easily killed npc's spawn in just after you start mining the minable rock
it's the destruction of these 2 npc frigates that flags the mission as complete
and not the collection of the ore
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-04-17 22:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Carn Astrael
First off thank you for many of these posts. It was very helpful to see the discussion for it helps me as a new player to understand the pros and cons of various aspects of EVE and play. Yes i realized some of this, like how to warp to a source of my already owned objects to get home and to set destination for missoin objectives ...i found the first mining mission did have an already supplied asteroid. I figured out about people mining out once that first post was made and I saw the same ships in each area combing the region for rocks, over and over. I was not happy about it but didnt know what it really was. botting just like other games.

As for bumping, i am grateful for the kindness of the one poster for trying to stop one of these "farmers" ..as i do have 8 more industry missions to go and more beyond that. But i dont want to encourage people to use my thread to learn and share aggressive tactics in excess of my initial post. I am NOT a fan of PVP at all, tho I realize it is part of EVE and i will be as careful as i can to avoid it. It does help to know some of the tactics that I may have to develop counters for.

You mention 11 EVE time as re spawn, what time is that in in US time terms if anyone can tell me? that way i can re visit those astroid pockets I was supposed to learn from .I ended up buying my ore from the market, and that was a good learning experience, i had not realized 1. Setting up a buy order was different and more epensive from buying direct, ie i had to pay the seller fees, 2. you have to GO to the source if it is in another system. Luckily i didn't encounter any baddies as I am not confident of my skills to defend yet.

final note, some "nice" person challenged me to a 'duell just outside the tutorial station. I merely re docked and they went away. Nice guy/gal ... ah well i suspect they knew i was a noob and wanted some fun. not from this rookie.

thanks again for the positive help much appreciated. It helps to know there are people here who WILL help, as it is a bit daunting, i am no noob to space sims as i have collected and played most of them for many years, but this is my first "live" mmo one and i an hopeful to at least complete the 21 trial tour.

UPDATE: EVE time zones

i found a time conversion chart for EVE time, Downtime is 5 AM Mountain time my zone, here is the chart:

http://www.eveinfo.net/complexes/inde~246.htm

I will plan my learning of mining times for early AM. I may also bump some farmers if i find them. There ARE three police cruisers stationed in Field 2, can I report bum asteroid snaggers to them in game?
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#28 - 2014-04-17 23:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Generally, if someone is challenging you to a duel, you don't need to dock up. They are being nice giving you the option to refuse. It is the ones that won't take "no" for an answer that force a fight or flight response. It might have even been another newbie trying to get his feet wet in pvp in a "safe" environment. Duels are generally considered "safe" pvp because people usually stop when the first one goes into structure. At least, the people that like to duel do. The players that like to pod you will use dueling as an excuse. But being a newbie in a rookie system, someone attacking you is a petition-able offense. So the duel challenge was probably legitimate.

Once you get out of rookie systems and start playing around in null. Duel challenges are totally different. Often, the person issuing the challenge is just planning to point you long enough for his friends to come in and mop you up. Happens a lot.

Truth is, best thing you can do to improve you eve experience in the long run is to go get blown up a few times, until you realize that getting blown up is no big deal.

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Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-04-18 01:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Carn Astrael
I still need to insure my ship and get all of the details on updtaing my clone and jump clone. but thanks for that advice appreciate it. I think i understand most of what you say ..except where you said..."getting into structure' which I think means structural damage on my ship? thanks again.

And until i can take the ship control or navigation tutorials or study up i have no clue how to move my ship other than using warp and gate jumps commands. Would not be much good in any ship to ship action.

I hope we get a detailed ship handling tutorial, and if not, we need one.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#30 - 2014-04-18 02:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
I'll do these in reverse order.

Carn Astrael wrote:
I will plan my learning of mining times for early AM. I may also bump some farmers if i find them. There ARE three police cruisers stationed in Field 2, can I report bum asteroid snaggers to them in game?
Concord will be there because somebody committed a criminal act, like making one of those people who hoover up the belts explode Pirate You don't want to be on the wrong side of Concord in a ship you plan to keep for a while, you will die, every time.

Reporting the hoover-uppers won't work, it's not against the rules but I think many consider it low to do it in a newbie system/constellation, I certainly do.

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As for bumping, i am grateful for the kindness of the one poster for trying to stop one of these "farmers" ..as i do have 8 more industry missions to go and more beyond that. But i dont want to encourage people to use my thread to learn and share aggressive tactics in excess of my initial post. I am NOT a fan of PVP at all, tho I realize it is part of EVE and i will be as careful as i can to avoid it. It does help to know some of the tactics that I may have to develop counters for.
Strangely enough the best way to learn how to avoid ship to ship PvP is to actually do it.

I've become much more aware of my surroundings after doing a few suicide ganks with the new order guys; against my competition, other miners and industrialists. I've learnt how they operate, where they operate, and what ships and modules they create a lucrative market demand for. Knowing this makes it much easier to not be a victim, and to make money while giggling at the explosions of the competition.

You'll never be completely immune to PvP, but you can mitigate the risk of it happening to you. If you do get ganked, convo your killer, be nice and you'll probably receive some good advice; possibly some iskies too if you're still a newbie, for having a good attitude. Be nasty or abusive and they'll ridicule you on a blog somewhere P

NB: Virtually everything you can do in Eve is directly or indirectly in competition with other players. Basically all of the things are PvP in one form or another.

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Asia Leigh
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#31 - 2014-04-18 05:03:17 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
The rookie systems are terrible for mining, because they are totally safe (CCP prohibit ganking there) which attracts multiboxers and botters who prevent actual rookies actually getting the ore.

As a consequence, you will usually need to go 2 jumps away to find a belt.

Your alternative is to purchase that ore from the market. It's your decision. The final reward for that tutorial is worth a lot more than the ore will cost you.


I think that rule only applies to newbies themselves. I think I'm actually going to partition that question to get clarification, because I find it quite untasteful that people bend this rule for their own benefit.

But as someone else mentioned in this thread war dec's work just as well Twisted
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#32 - 2014-04-18 08:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:
TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7!

Can't think of anything worse!

CoolTwisted

There used to be a mining corp in Conoban doing this. They tried to recruit newbies while they mined out the rookie belts in barges and exhumers.

At least some of those rookies joining got scammed out of their ore if you believed local.

In my opinion CCP should lock gates and market in career agent sytems to barges and exhumers.

New players are trying go figure out basic game mechanics in these systems. They are fair game everywhere else. It's not breaking EVE if they have protection in a dozen scattered systems for a couple of weeks.

Remove standings and insurance.

Oraac Ensor
#33 - 2014-04-18 11:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.

Major Trant wrote:
Please read the mission text carefully, the mission description adds flavor but when you drill down to it, the mission objective is often a lot simpler that you initially assume.

It has been a while since I did the rookie missions and things might have changed, but back then there was no mission that required you to go searching for asteroids and mining them in the public system belts.

If you were ever required to mine something you got a bookmark to a specific mission location where you would find the asteroids you needed. No other player could have got to that location before you and all you needed was 2 or 3 minutes to get the required ore.

Kitty Bear wrote:
the mining mission spawns a dedicated pocket that you can warp to directly

The OP specifically mentions Mission 2 in the Industry Tutorial, where the agent asks for the ore to be mined from a belt, so there is no mission location to warp to.

What is not made clear, though, is the point made by Major Trant: you can just buy the ore from the market and the agent will accept it.
Lemon Nado
The Circus Corp
#34 - 2014-04-18 14:50:03 UTC
Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:
TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7!

Can't think of anything worse!

CoolTwisted



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCPnBJrxdAY
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-04-18 18:23:34 UTC
thanks again for the advice. I will be careful about taking any kind of aggresive action against greedy farmers.... and will just do my own thing. I may not stay in EVE if it is all about competition and PVP, i Hate those in real life and enjoy exploring and playing WITH other players but not against them. That is not my desire in either games or life. But I will do my best to learn the basics and enjoy it while i can. There Should be ways to play EVE without having to become an aggressive monster bent on beating every one else. I will see, but I do appreciate all the help. I will keep one finger on the warp button and have a safe haven selected in advance of any sortee for the meantime. I will also arm and armour my ship to the best of my ability. the best offense is a good defense.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-04-18 22:38:12 UTC
you don't have to be careful
you just have to be smart, and pick the right time/target


i'll give you an example

#1) your jet-can mining in a belt, I warp in and start shooting at you
concord will appear after a small delay, and they will blow me up
I am not going to escape, my ship WILL die

that's essentially all ganking is. you usually explode, concord get revenge for you


#2) your jet-can mining in a belt, I warp in and steal your can (I could also redrop your ore in my own can, so that you can 'steal' from me)
you are now allowed to shoot me, if you do I can shoot back
so, I shoot you, you explode, concord do NOT appear

that's essentially baiting, and switch baiting



the exhumer changes made jet-canning largely redundant
I've just using those systems to give some context for flagging, concord and non-consensual pvp
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-04-18 23:09:38 UTC
thanks

I have seen exhumers referred to..are those like mining droids? I hope to avoid jet canning as it seems a silly waste of time since ppl will grab them if they can.

thanks for the tips on what to watch out for. I plan to run if anyone shoots at me, and if they chase me i will run faster. or get faster drives. I have no intention of fighting with anyone.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2014-04-18 23:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Carn Astrael wrote:
thanks

I have seen exhumers referred to..are those like mining droids? I hope to avoid jet canning as it seems a silly waste of time since ppl will grab them if they can.

thanks for the tips on what to watch out for. I plan to run if anyone shoots at me, and if they chase me i will run faster. or get faster drives. I have no intention of fighting with anyone.


Exhumers are a class of mining ship, as listed below:
Mining frigate - Venture (Cheap, quite hard to prevent from warping)
Mining barge - Procurer, Covetor, Retriever (cheap and more efficient than the Venture)
Exhumer - Skiff, Hulk, Mackinaw (not so cheap and more efficient than the barges)
Industrial - Orca, (used for hauling and mining boosts) Rorqual (used for mining boosts, ore compression* and can be used as a clone facility, not usable in highsec)

Some of the mining ships have some unintended uses, the Venture is used for all sorts of non mining related activities, the Skiff, Procurer and Orca can tank like you wouldn't believe and are sometimes used as bait to create some hilarious killmails. I don't know much about the Rorqual as its a capital ship, but it's probably also got unintended uses.

*Ore compression is changing in the summer expansion AFAIK

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#39 - 2014-04-18 23:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Well, the game is really what you make of it You just need to keep in mind that other people have their own ideas of fun, but there is nothing keeping you from enjoying yourself even if you never pvp at all, but if you don't want to pvp, you will need to learn to understand how the pvp players think in order to make yourself a difficult target, and to easily recover from the rare times when normal avoidance measures fail.

edit....Somehow I made that all one sentence.......

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#40 - 2014-04-19 00:05:35 UTC



Thank you. That made me laugh.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

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