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CCP and Their Special Snowflakes

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#361 - 2014-04-17 09:26:02 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:


...and they'll see it has you in it Sad



Infinity Ziona........reason EvE Is Dying?

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#362 - 2014-04-17 09:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: UAxSunShine
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Actually CCP have made a promise, that's what an EULA clause is, to deal with these types of players. CCP needs to make good on that promise otherwise I'm paying for something they promised and are not delivering. CCP can keep their promise by applying the EULA in regards to ongoing harassment and defamation, which is an illegal act in Iceland, by dealing appropriately with the player in question.

There is no requirement for them to go to the authorities but there is a requirement under Icelandic contract law for them to do something.



You know the leader of the third reich promised not to invade czechoslovakia right?

And by the same "promise" ccp made you'd be as guilty as hell too.


Promises can be broken and even if you weren't completely delusional no one is going to be arrested as the result of an eve online thread.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#363 - 2014-04-17 09:28:24 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
...and they'll see it has you in it Sad

Infinity Ziona........reason EvE Is Dying?

I've heard more far-fetched reasons vOv
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#364 - 2014-04-17 09:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Actually CCP have made a promise, that's what an EULA clause is, to deal with these types of players.
Where in the EULA did they promise this?
And more to the point, what makes you think that they haven't?

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If they did do that they'd be liable for breach of contract.
No, it's pretty much what they have to do according to the forum rules. Ok, maybe not the laughter bit, but I'm sure it'll happen anyway.

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C. User Content

The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").

User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child pornographic or harmful to minors; or (iv) contain any viruses, Trojan horses, disabling code, worms, time bombs, "clear GIFs," cancelbots or other computer programming or routines that are intended to, or which in fact, damage, detrimentally interfere with, monitor, intercept or expropriate any data, information, packets or personal information.

CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill.

You hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sub-licensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of your User Content, in any medium now known or hereafter developed.

Violation of CCP's proprietary rights is a material breach of the EULA, in the event of which CCP may suspend your Account, terminate the EULA and take whatever additional action CCP deems appropriate under the circumstance. The foregoing is without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights and remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative.

While the terms used are "may" they're obligated under duty of care to "must". Icelandic case law clearly shows that in the event they do not act they may become liable for the defamatory material even though the author of the defamatory material is not CCP. While Icelandic law is more lax in regards to the people hosting that defamatory material if the person is not also the host allowing that person to continue to defame and harass a player would likely transfer some of that responsibility to the hosting party.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#365 - 2014-04-17 09:29:39 UTC
Dial 999/911/112 and ask for Detective Teg

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#366 - 2014-04-17 09:31:48 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

While the terms used are "may" they're obligated under duty of care to "must".party.



10/10 would read again Harvey Spectre.
Functionary
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#367 - 2014-04-17 09:33:20 UTC
Actually this thread is now having a real life material impact ....
Half of our office can no longer do any work due to laughter after Infinity Snowflake started the pseudo legal threats
Damn we should be preparing cases for trial not reading this :)

SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#368 - 2014-04-17 09:33:27 UTC
If you think people are going to get in trouble, for defamatory inside a game.. you Ziona really are delusional and I will make sure to let everyone in the game know.

See I am doing it right now, perfectly fine. Smile

I disagree

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#369 - 2014-04-17 09:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill.
…and apparently, they have deemed it appropriate to not make the same assessment of the situation as you did or to take a different action, at their discretion, than the one you were hoping for.

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Icelandic case law
…is perhaps not entirely applicable to either you or the other party.
If you feel it is, perhaps you should report it to your local law enforcement, like the EULA suggests, or bring suit to CCP in Iceland if you want to blame them for the alleged defamation.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2014-04-17 09:35:01 UTC
Functionary wrote:
Actually this thread is now having a real life material impact ....
Half of our office can no longer do any work due to laughter after Infinity Snowflake started the pseudo legal threats
Damn we should be preparing cases for trial not reading this :)


They're not psuado, I'm a qualified paralegal and currently studying to be a lawyer. I researched the law in Iceland regarding Erotica1 and CCP's responsiblities as the host of EvE, which is the forum she was using to harass players out of game.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Ira Black
Perkone
Caldari State
#371 - 2014-04-17 09:35:39 UTC
Alright!

You have groupies! Not only does that confirm your status as "famous", but this will pave the way for a whole new level and type of metagaming.

Step 1: Become a drug addict to cope with the presure
Step 2: Shave your hair
Step 3: Start making incoherent posts
Step 4: Get thrown in jail
Step 5: End up disgraced in the news

All of these steps are achievable through ingame activites. You'll have to slam in a bit of RP-ing in there tho. You could buy a massive amount of crash or drop so every ship you lose will have that on the KM for example. You can alter your avatar for the hair. Since your posts are generally well-writen, you'll have to work on that. Since you just incarcerated 6 of your characters... I'd leave it to CCP, but even they need all the help they can get. But since you used the "F-word" and CCP fell all over that, you're on their radar already.
The last part is most difficult. I'm thinking EVE-news, DEV blogs etc. Not sure exactly in what way tho.

But I understand whats going on Infinty Spears. I'm specialized in emotional aid. Just transfer 10 bill ISK and I'll manage this. I would never betray you.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#372 - 2014-04-17 09:35:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill.
…and apparently, they have deemed it appropriate to not make the same assessment of the situation as you did or to take a different action, at their discretion, than the one you were hoping for.

Quote:
Icelandic case law
…is perhaps not entirely applicable to either you or the other party.

CCP as an Icelandic company are subject to the laws of Iceland.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#373 - 2014-04-17 09:36:25 UTC

IDK, sounds like Ziona is a pretty capable internet spaceships lawyer. One detective might not be enough...
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#374 - 2014-04-17 09:36:38 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

While the terms used are "may"


*sad trombone*
UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#375 - 2014-04-17 09:37:43 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Functionary wrote:
Actually this thread is now having a real life material impact ....
Half of our office can no longer do any work due to laughter after Infinity Snowflake started the pseudo legal threats
Damn we should be preparing cases for trial not reading this :)


They're not psuado, I'm a qualified paralegal and currently studying to be a lawyer. I researched the law in Iceland regarding Erotica1 and CCP's responsiblities as the host of EvE, which is the forum she was using to harass players out of game.



Paralegal, bouncer AND a dog trainer?

Next you'll be a psychologist talking to us about the harmful effects of **** talking on the internet.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#376 - 2014-04-17 09:37:58 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill.
…and apparently, they have deemed it appropriate to not make the same assessment of the situation as you did or to take a different action, at their discretion, than the one you were hoping for.

Quote:
Icelandic case law
…is perhaps not entirely applicable to either you or the other party.

CCP as an Icelandic company are subject to the laws of Iceland.

I too got my law degree in Jita.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2014-04-17 09:38:20 UTC
"I am studying it so I am right" - Ziona

I disagree

Functionary
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#378 - 2014-04-17 09:38:38 UTC

[/quote]
They're not psuado, I'm a qualified paralegal and currently studying to be a lawyer. I researched the law in Iceland regarding Erotica1 and CCP's responsiblities as the host of EvE, which is the forum she was using to harass players out of game.[/quote]


You cant damage the reputation of a fictional entity .....
This just gets better and better :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#379 - 2014-04-17 09:38:43 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

IDK, sounds like Ziona is a pretty capable internet spaceships lawyer. One detective might not be enough...

I'm quite capable out of game too.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#380 - 2014-04-17 09:39:10 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CCP as an Icelandic company are subject to the laws of Iceland.
So sue them, if you want to blame them for the alleged defamation.

And again, you have no evidence to support the notion that they haven't fulfilled their any promises made or are in any way in breach of contract.