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Standings Grind...The Future

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-04-17 03:14:01 UTC
My point, for those that missed it, is that not every single thing we spend time or money on in our lives is an investment or a risk. Spending isk, money, or time does not necessarily imply investment or risk.

For those that disagree with this one simple point, I fart in your general direction. P
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-04-17 03:14:46 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:

I can see where you get all this confused, you seem to only identify Risk when it's supported as a gamble, not when it's weighed against an Investment, most poor investors do the same it's a good habit to get out of to succeed.

If I buy a glass of coke, is it an investment?


The fact that you can purchase a glass of coke would tend to indicate that people do invest in glasses of coke and profit from them. You haven't provided enough information for us to know whether you intend profit seeking with it or not.


Thank you for proving my point. Lol. Introduction to Economics 102: Profit-Seeking with a Glass of Coke.Cool
You know, it's funny how so many companies around here have rules about socializing with potential clients or business partners because of the difficult to quantify affect a single drink or meal could have. Like I said, if all you can see is a glass of coke, it's you that is the issue, not the coke.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#43 - 2014-04-17 03:28:01 UTC
Ganking appears to be alive and well in Osmon. None of my business but the answer seemed so obvious I assumed I must be mistaken and had to look it up again.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-04-17 03:44:39 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
Ganking appears to be alive and well in Osmon. None of my business but the answer seemed so obvious I assumed I must be mistaken and had to look it up again.

Yeah if you run missions in a bling fit ship or under war dec, you'll get ganked.

If we're assuming the mission runner is a total moron, then yes there's "risk". Roll
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-04-17 05:18:20 UTC
Ugh

OK, I read this whole thread and what was the topic about again?

Umm, Faction standing requirements being removed for POS anchoring in high sec systems?

Is there a link to a Dev Blog about this or is this just conjecture?



DMC
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#46 - 2014-04-17 05:23:03 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ugh

OK, I read this whole thread and what was the topic about again?

Umm, Faction standing requirements being removed for POS anchoring in high sec systems?

Is there a link to a Dev Blog about this or is this just conjecture?



DMC


Right below your portrait at the top of the forums, there is a button that says "Dev Blogs".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2014-04-17 05:27:11 UTC
I just have one thing to say about standings being kicked in the crotch. It deserved it, and I hope we see more of it in the near future.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-04-17 05:34:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ugh

OK, I read this whole thread and what was the topic about again?

Umm, Faction standing requirements being removed for POS anchoring in high sec systems?

Is there a link to a Dev Blog about this or is this just conjecture?



DMC


Right below your portrait at the top of the forums, there is a button that says "Dev Blogs".

So what? A link to the Dev Blog should have been posted in the op to begin with, especially since the op pertains to it.

Also I'm not gonna waste my time searching for it when there's way too much crap to sift through here in this sub-forum.


DMC
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#49 - 2014-04-17 05:35:32 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ugh

OK, I read this whole thread and what was the topic about again?

Umm, Faction standing requirements being removed for POS anchoring in high sec systems?

Is there a link to a Dev Blog about this or is this just conjecture?



DMC


Right below your portrait at the top of the forums, there is a button that says "Dev Blogs".

So what? A link to the Dev Blog should have been posted in the op to begin with, especially since the op pertains to it.

Also I'm not gonna waste my time searching for it when there's way too much crap to sift through here in this sub-forum.


DMC


It's literally two clicks, and he can't be asked.

Gotta love carebears...Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#50 - 2014-04-17 06:24:03 UTC
Missions are awful. Having to grind them forever in order to do things in EVE is probably not a great idea. I'm grinding standing with a corp up to 8 now, so I can install jump clones in the system I moved to. Rather than continuing to make them in my old home on the other side of empire space and moving them over. It blows. I can only run a few missions at a time before I get really antsy and want to scream like a madman and run up and down the street naked with a package of cold cut meats stapled to me in various places. Next I'll probably give in and grind missions a bit on my market alt to evade taxes. That'll be a blast.

If allowing any noob to set up a tower in hisec is an offensive idea, I guess they could make them like ships and work skills into it more. Require Anchoring 5. Rename Starbase Defense Management to Starbase Operation, and require lvl 1 for a small tower, lvl 3 for a medium, and lvl 5 for a large. So nobody would be able to anchor a large tower until they are actually capable of fully doing their part in its defense.

I dunno why anyone wants to babysit a POS anyway. Just another part of EVE that is annoying as hell.

FEED ME SEYMOURE!!!
Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
#51 - 2014-04-17 17:49:05 UTC
Well I guess if the Attributes that standings gave are no longer relevant then hindsight shows it was most certainly a risk grinding them. Industrialist should have done what all the other lazy players did and buy a Corp with standings rather than build one of your own. Eve-Online's new Motto 'Don't build it Buy it'.

So Risk with no Reward.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#52 - 2014-04-17 20:01:39 UTC
Standings could reduce the science and industry taxes/fees by up to a certain percentage. NPC corporation standings work on stations and faction standings on the POS.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#53 - 2014-04-17 20:22:20 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
I am not asking that CCP stop making changes to the game. I am asking that you stop allowing people to waste time doing things you know will be useless when you know it right now!

The you should ask CCP to remove standings as fast as possible. It's always been a stupid game mechanic in any game with no useful purpose, even more so in a game like EVE.

Remove standings and insurance.

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-04-17 20:25:45 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
In Law there is a well known doctrine of Reliance

I have no interest in educating the trolls on the importance or niceties of this doctrine, but it basically holds that leaving someone holding a bag you know will go sour will make you liable if you know they relied on past promises and you know they will not apply in the future. While I have no intention of ever pursuing an action, I think the spirit of this doctrine makes for good neighbors.

Do not sell me a house you know will be condemned unless you share that knowledge.

Internet Spaceship Lawyers.
*Sigh*

Do you know how you get trolls? You get trolls when people repeatedly and incessantly post the same garbage on a particular forum with little or no variation. A good example: applying RL law, precedent, and custom to what happens in a videogame.

"Intention of ever pusuing action" ~ lol. Do you want trolls? This is how you get trolls.



Apparently you get trolls by shutting them down and then watching them scramble around like ants trying to label their destroyer as the troll.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-04-17 20:37:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ugh

OK, I read this whole thread and what was the topic about again?

Umm, Faction standing requirements being removed for POS anchoring in high sec systems?

Is there a link to a Dev Blog about this or is this just conjecture?



DMC


Right below your portrait at the top of the forums, there is a button that says "Dev Blogs".

So what? A link to the Dev Blog should have been posted in the op to begin with, especially since the op pertains to it.

Also I'm not gonna waste my time searching for it when there's way too much crap to sift through here in this sub-forum.


DMC


It's literally two clicks, and he can't be asked.

Gotta love carebears...Roll


Unfortunately can't say the same for Forum trolls and judging by your replies, you're definitely working hard at training level 5.


DMC
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-04-17 22:04:38 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:

I can see where you get all this confused, you seem to only identify Risk when it's supported as a gamble, not when it's weighed against an Investment, most poor investors do the same it's a good habit to get out of to succeed.

If I buy a glass of coke, is it an investment?

If you resell it for more, yes.

Edit: Or use it to enhance another product or service which you offer.

Good luck reselling a single glass of coke, if that's the train of thought you need to follow, then my point is made for me.

hm.... you bought it somewhere? So it IS tradeable.
So it CAN be sold again.

Yea, that was really difficult What?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#57 - 2014-04-17 22:31:08 UTC
I clearly remember a time before high sec POSs. The standing system was the same, and I assure you mission running and Eve in general functions just as well as it does now.

Faction and corp standing are just 2 more variables in a sea of variables that CCP ties to game systems as they see fit.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#58 - 2014-04-17 22:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Muestereate
PotatoOverdose wrote:
My point, for those that missed it, is that not every single thing we spend time or money on in our lives is an investment or a risk. Spending isk, money, or time does not necessarily imply investment or risk.

For those that disagree with this one simple point, I fart in your general direction. P


Everything that involves probability weighing on the accuracy of predictable outcomes changes what is called called risk. Anything that increases the accuracy of the predicted outcome decreases risk.

If you take one cycnabal against another cynabal, you expose yourself so a certain percentage of chance that you are not going win. If you take two cynabals against one, the chances of you losing goes down. by putting two cynabals in the fight you have decreased your risk and not doubled your risk as your logic implies. You knowledge of risk versus reward is incomplete if you do not factor in changes in probability.


With regards to standing though I disagree. Its high time that they quit making industrialists grind missions. I've never liked them. It has nothing to do with the forum arguments. Putting Mission Princesses out of spacedock is a risk, ask any ganker. Its common knowledge and not worth arguing.

The amount of time to grind storylines is as excruciating to me as mining veldspar is to many. I know people that find it relaxing, I do not. I can hardly wait for each anomaly or mission to end. The payoffs are not worth my time.

The standing idea is a farce also. Part of the persistent universe idea that I was sold was that standings meant something and I gathered that people would actually respect standing so I guarded it closely. People do not respect standing and neither does the game. The rewards for standing are paltry especially for the amount of time invested. If they did not stink so bad people wouldn't give away or sell dirt cheap corp and clone services.

be done with them, be free.
Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2014-04-17 22:51:22 UTC
Adapt and move on.
Adunh Slavy
#60 - 2014-04-17 23:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Some recent vid said something like "The empires are losing control" ... there's your vague hint.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt