Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And what if a player comes back from a lenghty journey (work, holiday, whatever), logs in again and finds his wallet in deep negative numbers because his corp was wardecced just after he left? Would make fees calculated by docking time a nightmare. CCP doesn't want to force people to just stop playing Eve, after all. A docking fee per sequenze makes a little bit more sense.

This is what makes the issue so hard to balance: Too much incentive to fight: People start farming. Too many penalties to not fight: People just stop playing altogether.

Or they could do what I would do if I ever get wardecced and had to pay "docking fees" or suffer some other ridiculous penalty, while not being able to simply duck wardecs anymore. Vanishing into W-Space with my main. If I want to buy or sell stuff, I would make a new corp for one of my alts and move stuff around with contracts. And never move my main back into HighSec forever.

Now there aren't many people who would be that insanely stubborn in their desire to avoid war, so most people would simply stop playing Eve and do something more healthy, like going outside into the sun again.

Wait, why was I arguing against this again? Pile on the penalties! How about: If you try to avoid a wardec by dropping corp, you get declared traitor and CONCORD kills you wherever you go until you go back?

The biggest downfall of wars in high sec is a lack of reason to fight. For the defender, unless you have anchored assets in space, the best possible response to a war is to simply never undock. Hell, better yet, don't even log in. Your opponent will see you as a boring bunch of cowardly no-good carebears, hate you for it, and never bother dec'ing you again. Which is actually a plus for you. Also, your war history will show that you simply do not take losses during wars, and that tells future corps that fighting you is boring as hell.
Another powerfully irritating exploit (and yes I'm calling it an exploit) is to simply dissolve your corporation and form a new one, or have everyone drop corp to NPC and rejoin after the war.

This clearly shows that there is something horribly wrong with the war dec system as it stands. I'm not talking about the mechanics of declaring and maintaining wars here, just what happens while a war is active.

The solution to the issues noted above would need to provide people with a reason to undock during a war, and not just avoid combat.

I had a random thought, and would like feedback on it.

What if killing legal war targets generated in-corp LP (or something similar)? The basic idea is to reward pilots for undocking and fighting war targets with some tangible reward that is directly tied to their corporation membership. Oh sure, freighter pilots would likely still drop corp, but there isn't a very good chance of them undocking in a Domi to fight you now is there?

The reward would ideally be directly related to the value of the target destroyed. What I would really like to see, would be some sort of lesser reward for dying in a war. Give people a reason to undock even against overwhelming, or at least uncertain, odds. I would like to see this go both ways, so even the people declaring war would be getting rewards (beyond just loot drops and tears). I would even be fine with the defenders receiving double the rewards that the attacker is getting.

Any thoughts?

Remove wardeck from HS altogether. Go PvP to PvP areas. The game does not lack them. HS is not for PvP, its for new character development, PvE and market hubs. People focusing on these activities can not provide you with appropriate challenge and don't want to waste their time on you. Hence entire HS wardecking is pointless.

Remove wardeck from HS altogether. Go PvP to PvP areas. The game does not lack them. HS is not for PvP, its for new character development, PvE and market hubs. People focusing on these activities can not provide you with appropriate challenge and don't want to waste their time on you. Hence entire HS wardecking is pointless.

War declaration are supposed to be about strategic objectives, not inflicting random casualties. Using the in game mechanic with the wrong intent does not mean the mechanic is wrong because it does not give you what you want. There is no need to generate any killrights as the target is a corp, not a character.

The biggest downfall of wars in high sec is a lack of reason to fight. For the defender, unless you have anchored assets in space, the best possible response to a war is to simply never undock. Hell, better yet, don't even log in. Your opponent will see you as a boring bunch of cowardly no-good carebears, hate you for it, and never bother dec'ing you again. Which is actually a plus for you. Also, your war history will show that you simply do not take losses during wars, and that tells future corps that fighting you is boring as hell.
Another powerfully irritating exploit (and yes I'm calling it an exploit) is to simply dissolve your corporation and form a new one, or have everyone drop corp to NPC and rejoin after the war.

This clearly shows that there is something horribly wrong with the war dec system as it stands. I'm not talking about the mechanics of declaring and maintaining wars here, just what happens while a war is active.

The solution to the issues noted above would need to provide people with a reason to undock during a war, and not just avoid combat.

I had a random thought, and would like feedback on it.

What if killing legal war targets generated in-corp LP (or something similar)? The basic idea is to reward pilots for undocking and fighting war targets with some tangible reward that is directly tied to their corporation membership. Oh sure, freighter pilots would likely still drop corp, but there isn't a very good chance of them undocking in a Domi to fight you now is there?

The reward would ideally be directly related to the value of the target destroyed. What I would really like to see, would be some sort of lesser reward for dying in a war. Give people a reason to undock even against overwhelming, or at least uncertain, odds. I would like to see this go both ways, so even the people declaring war would be getting rewards (beyond just loot drops and tears). I would even be fine with the defenders receiving double the rewards that the attacker is getting.

Any thoughts?

Another powerfully irritating exploit (and yes I'm calling it an exploit) is to simply dissolve your corporation and form a new one, or have everyone drop corp to NPC and rejoin after the war.

If your target has nothing to lose, maybe you are selecting the wrong targets.

You are attacking an entity which has nothing to lose and expect it's members to fight over that nothing. I think you need to rethink what you are hoping for.