Market Discussions

As you might already know, the summer expansion will make many changes to the POSes. The main changes are:
- POSes can be anchored in 0.8+ systems excluding highly congested systems (like JIta) and starter systems;
- You will not require faction standings in order to anchor a POS;
- Slots are being removed from the game and are being replaced by the tax. More slots used in the station equals higher tax. POSes will have lower tax than stations.

There are more changes announced, but the dev blog is too massive to list them all here.

Anyway, do you think that POS fuel prices will jump due to higher availability of POS gameplay to newer players/players without standings or even by the pretty decent amount of high-high security space (sorry ... can't find the better word for it ) that is free for spreading POSes?

Or will the prices drop because of the convenience of station industry without a limit on the number of slots?

Could easily go either way.

Based on the little information we have, I would be planning to reduce the number of POSes I operate. That's something I'm very happy with. If a lot of other people do the same then we could see fuel prices fall back some.

Where they exactly say that POSes will be hit by taxes? I can't find the part in the new dev blog where they clearly state it.

It will depend on how high these taxes/fees go. If pos operation costs more than paying the tax, then pay the tax. I think we can assume greater demands on the fuel supply, with the tax/fee acting as a soft ceiling.

If pos are also being hit by the tax, then I see very little reason to continue to own one.

Pos has never been about cost, its about how well you can use them.If said taxes are less than station poses are still worth owning because they still provide speed that stations can't match, and with this change for standings say hi to poses in sobaseki

The level of tax will be determined by the degree of use of the production / research asset.

Thus while the station tax might be very high (because of overuse) the tax which you pay in your own POS may be at a minimal level.

To my knowledge the only system which we have on these scaling taxes is the corp offices - and they can get very expensive very fast.

So - still very much worthwhile having a POS if the tax differential is high (and my guess is - it will be).

As an aside it makes POS accounting a bit simpler, you know much more clearly how much you are saving by running a POS.

what i get from reading the devblog, is that we will see a lot of small corps suddenly using POS for the first time. this will result in a learning curve, and some of them will get wardecced and lose their POS (some will take the pos down first). it will probably take a couple months to settle down again, but in that time ice prices will probably spike for the POS fuel, before it returns to equilibrium. anyone who is in a position to supply fuel during the spike will make a good return on investment, but the best ISK will likely be from sales away from the trade hubs (where the POS cannot place), in whatever systems the new POS tend to get put in. we may see a ripple effect into mining barge demand for ice mining, probably starting before the update actually hits. whoever is manufacturing the POS components will make the most income short-term,unless speculators flood the market.

changes to the slot system will most likely mean we will see a lot more research and invention take place. this will probably show a short-term spike, as more people try out the system than before, resulting in short-term demand spikes for things like datacores. demand for researched BPOs will probably fluctuate for a while. after a lot of people lose money to not knowing what they are doing, the market should stabilize again.

in general, the safest assumption is that a lot of people will not read the update carefully, and then waste money as they learn the hard way.

Dat tool, awesome.

You can thank FoxFour for it (along with some other devs helping with his heavy lifting)

I just slapped a frontend together for it, using Google charts.