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An Announcement On The Future Of The World Of Darkness Project

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Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#261 - 2014-04-16 11:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Balshem Rozenzweig
Reiisha wrote:
Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:
- CCP's mindset when it comes to innovation and stretching is hilarious. If I was to develop Valkyrie and Dust I would be 100% sure to get my existing playerbase into it. You get free promotion (and tons of it) when your players talk among themselves about "THE NEW GAME !!!1!!". This is how Blizzard operates and seriously - you will never get better at sucking your customers dry. Do you imagine them releasing Diablo III without pc support? If so - how much money do you think Diablo III would make? Stop being delusional, and make games instead of trying to prove stuff. No one cares if you are einteins of game development. I want a good game I can play, and not a company half a world away I could be proud of.


Valkyrie will be on PC at least. It's a project started purely in-house by CCP (though i suspect they did get some funding from Sony afterall).

The reason Dust isn't on PC (yet, i expect an announcement for that at fanfest) is because Sony actually funded large parts of the game as part of an exclusivity deal. CCP doesn't have full control over where Dust can be deployed at the moment, though i fully expect this exclusivity to be timed so that it passes to at least the PS4 and probably the PC.

Dust on PC however adds some difficulties - Cheating is so very very easy in shooters and you want to do everything you can to prevent Dust from being abused as an easy moneymaker, or inluence on EVE itself. While cheating is not impossible on consoles, it is significantly harder at least.


But theere are gossips about Valkyrie being occular rift only, and that's something that already makes people skeptical about the game (they do not want to warm up for it just to get disappointed). This is the consequence of both bad PR and post-Dust514 trauma.

CCP could have established a good part of it's game community to religiously follow development of both. This would make said games more of a thing to talk about and drag them through gaming media services eventually where everyone could troll how they can't wait to make it happen.

Also, let's be honest, zealotry of eve players would sooth the first reception the dust got. Ability to help their FW effort by just alt tabbing into Dust (Alts: Online even more - eve customers' favorite) would pump the servers and create an illusion of interest/growth.

These are the pain staking mistakes I see that were in effect, and the consequences of which we see today with general skepticism towards what CCP does. Projecting problems with Dust onto Valkyrie is obvious. It might be overcautious but I think it's still a well founded doubt.

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Grayland Aubaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2014-04-16 11:46:07 UTC
Best case scenario - CCP spend more resources on EVE, and everything is shiny and happy.

Worst case scenario - CCP go into status quo mode and become too afraid to make any real / big changes to EVE in fear of a repeat performance of WOD.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#263 - 2014-04-16 13:11:57 UTC
WOD was leeching off of EVE for the longest time in Dev time and resources. Ironically EVE may just get its resources anyway.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#264 - 2014-04-16 14:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Reiisha wrote:
Gospadin wrote:
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
- CCP Falcon did not want to go into rumors before the actual information has been personally discussed with the people affected by it. Would you want to find out you're being fired via Reddit or via the people you work for? It's a simple matter of courtesy which is blown way over proportion.

Deliberately misrepresenting the facts, a.k.a. lying, is not courtesy. Go re-read one directly affected person’s comment from the reddit thread quoted above: she doesn't seem to have felt like it was either. No statement was called for. One was given nevertheless. This wasn't ‘good management’, or ‘damage control’, or ‘public relations’. It was just lying. Not impressed. Last time I take CCP Falcon’s word, on its own, for anything.


Agreed. Having been laid off before, nothing is worse than the false hope of some corporate lackey. I feel sorry for those laid off, and even worse for those who saw CCP Falcon's comments on reddit and were hopeful they'd still have a job.

Either don't say anything, or give your (former) employees the truth about their situation. The fact that rumors even got out in the first place is testament to bad management around the layoff / closure.


Or that someone deliberately wanted to hurt CCP by revealing information they shouldn't have. Why is CCP always the villain and is everyone else in the world an angelic Samaritan?


Because: History CCP alt

Doireen Kaundur wrote:
WOD was leeching off of EVE for the longest time in Dev time and resources. Ironically EVE may just get its resources anyway.


Now Valkyrie will be leeching those resources

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Endecroix
Doomheim
#265 - 2014-04-16 15:42:30 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Or that someone deliberately wanted to hurt CCP by revealing information they shouldn't have.


Didn't CCP do this though when they released the 2013 financial information with the rather large write off in R+D costs. It didn't take a genius to figure out what that code write off was.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#266 - 2014-04-16 15:47:28 UTC
Grayland Aubaris wrote:
Best case scenario - CCP spend more resources on EVE, and everything is shiny and happy.

Worst case scenario - CCP go into status quo mode and become too afraid to make any real / big changes to EVE in fear of a repeat performance of WOD.


CCP's been in status quo mode for almost 2 years now (since the perfect storm events of the Nex store debacle, a half-finished but released anyway Incarna and the leaked internal micro-transactions memos). When was the last true expansion of gameplay? That was when incursions were introduced. Since that time it's been refactoring, tweaking and "balancing". Those things need to happen on an ongoing basis but, it's about time to create and innovate again.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#267 - 2014-04-16 17:31:05 UTC
Endecroix wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Or that someone deliberately wanted to hurt CCP by revealing information they shouldn't have.


Didn't CCP do this though when they released the 2013 financial information with the rather large write off in R+D costs. It didn't take a genius to figure out what that code write off was.


Didnt someone at CCP do this with greed is good?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#268 - 2014-04-16 18:08:08 UTC
how many million man hours wasted on a no hoper of a game........... big waste

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2014-04-16 18:45:38 UTC
Perhaps now DUST can get some more attention? I don't intend to play it but I'd like to play with the people who play it, from over here on my side. The interaction between the two games is about as solid as Obama's stance on X policy. We're told that the games are interconnected but all there is to show for it is having DUST players in (some) EVE systems. We can't even feasibly do orbital bombardment for them.

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Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2014-04-16 20:01:03 UTC
Falcon, you've mentioned multiple times in this thread that there are no current plans for the WoD IP. Well, here's a sugesstion you can pass on to the decision-makers:

Sell it. Sell it to someone who will give the IP the foucs, attention, and respect it deserves. After you have mismanaged it so grossly and wasted years of opportunity, the only decent thing to do at this point is to hand it over to someone who will be a better steward than you were.

As a side note for those comparing WoD to Twilight, I'll just say this: if the average Twilight fan spent any time in WoD, then in short order they would be curled up in a corner, rocking back and forth, and staring blankly at the wall while repeating "Where are the sparkles? Where are the sparkles?" over and over. Twilight is teen romance crap; WoD is mature horror. Equating the two is ridiculous.

Excuse me now; I've got to go reinstall "Bloodlines".
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#271 - 2014-04-16 20:23:05 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Perhaps now EVE can get some more attention?


fixt XD

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#272 - 2014-04-16 20:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Hoshi Sorano wrote:

As a side note for those comparing WoD to Twilight, I'll just say this: if the average Twilight fan spent any time in WoD, then in short order they would be curled up in a corner, rocking back and forth, and staring blankly at the wall while repeating "Where are the sparkles? Where are the sparkles?" over and over. Twilight is teen romance crap; WoD is mature horror. Equating the two is ridiculous.


It's called vampire fatigue, that genre has been over-served for quite a while, so any differentiating lines are quite blurred.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#273 - 2014-04-16 21:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Falcon, you've mentioned multiple times in this thread that there are no current plans for the WoD IP. Well, here's a sugesstion you can pass on to the decision-makers:

Sell it. Sell it to someone who will give the IP the foucs, attention, and respect it deserves. After you have mismanaged it so grossly and wasted years of opportunity, the only decent thing to do at this point is to hand it over to someone who will be a better steward than you were.

As a side note for those comparing WoD to Twilight, I'll just say this: if the average Twilight fan spent any time in WoD, then in short order they would be curled up in a corner, rocking back and forth, and staring blankly at the wall while repeating "Where are the sparkles? Where are the sparkles?" over and over. Twilight is teen romance crap; WoD is mature horror. Equating the two is ridiculous.

Excuse me now; I've got to go reinstall "Bloodlines".


A thousand times this

CCP, isnt making money off the IP better than sitting on it for no gain?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ian Morbius
Potomac Greeting Card Company
#274 - 2014-04-16 23:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ian Morbius
The $5 million should help a little to recovery from the lose of WOD. Some politicians love corperate welfare. Ah.... program for technical regional development(Really called the Entertainment Industry Investment Act.). Sure.

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Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#275 - 2014-04-16 23:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Hehaw Jimbojohnson
I don't like how they keep saying the WoD resources will go towards "the EVE Universe and our projects therein". With that wording, I wouldn't be surprised if they put most of the funding into Dust to try to make it suck less, or marketing for Valkyrie. I mean, why not, we at EVE Online will give them money for a ship stat tweak or two every few months, so why devote more money than they have to to this product?

Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Falcon, you've mentioned multiple times in this thread that there are no current plans for the WoD IP. Well, here's a sugesstion you can pass on to the decision-makers:

Sell it. Sell it to someone who will give the IP the foucs, attention, and respect it deserves. After you have mismanaged it so grossly and wasted years of opportunity, the only decent thing to do at this point is to hand it over to someone who will be a better steward than you were.
.


Also, this is a very good point. After the total failure in the handling of the WoD project, CCP should most definitely just sell the IP to a company that wants to actually do something with it. Seriously, there's no point in keeping it; who in the hell would invest in a CCP-made WoD game in the future after this failure?
Suomi Khan
Doomheim
#276 - 2014-04-17 02:34:03 UTC
1 wish:

Please CCP, make sure the IP ends up in capable and competent hands. Take your loss, move on and don't be a **** about the IP.

You made the **** up, you should pay, so make sure the IP ends up with someone who have the soul in it and not just the ones with the fattest wallet, you owe the WOD community that much, cause the responsible lies solely in your hands. And don't let it collect dust either, you have done enough damage.
Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
The Legends In The Game
#277 - 2014-04-17 14:59:59 UTC
The Important thing is that the EVE Universe as a whole will get more attention and focusing only on it, it is one of the best things that could happen. It is going to be all about this universe and I love that.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#278 - 2014-04-17 16:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Droidyk wrote:
The Important thing is that the EVE Universe as a whole will get more attention and focusing only on it, it is one of the best things that could happen. It is going to be all about this universe and I love that.


This is an over simplistic and naive view.

CCP is a business. They exist in order to deliver value (profits) for their shareholders. The way to do this over a long period of time is by diversification. Placing all their financial eggs into a single, niche, ten year old IP is NOT the way to maximize that value thus, they branched out and bought White Wolf for WoD, developed Dust 514, Valkyrie, etc. Expecting CCP to stand pat with a single aging product is akin to asking GM to dump Cadillac, GMC and Buick in order to focus all their resources on developing ONLY Chevy Corvettes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending CCP for killing off WoD. I'm so upset about the way this company is being managed that I'm considering ending my 6 year plus relationship with them. But for all you people thinking that this move will automatically make Eve a better game, you really need to take a closer, more nuanced view of how businesses are run.

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Eiwol Ressiv
Extorsion Productions.
#279 - 2014-04-17 16:11:57 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Stitcher wrote:


It would be nice to get some feedback on WHY the project had to be shelved, though. Were the challenges technical, artistic, financial? And what can the community do to try and bring our vampires back from the dead?


We basically just feel that we overreached with WoD in its initial concept and were trying to achieve too much in the first iteration of the project. We've worked hard and adjusted the plan a number of times along the way but felt the project just wan't true to the original concept that was laid out.

The decision was made to cancel the project because we don't feel we met our target of creating a fully immersive experience set in the WoD universe, and felt it was in our best interests to put an end to the project rather than retro-fitting it and re-hashing it further.



would be hard also a Sandbox theme park full of content , nobody has done it before with succses of that i know of.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#280 - 2014-04-17 19:37:04 UTC
Sad to see the WoD go into torpor. Maybe you could preserve some of the writing talent you no doubt hired and put it to work on EVE to pick up the left over story threads in EVE.

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