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Do grinding missions prepare you for PVP?
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Khimes Quds
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#41 - 2014-04-16 07:19:18 UTC
Watch tutorial videos, read a few blogs and ask people about the details. Then try and die over and over, and after every defeat think what you have done wrong. After one miserable week of endless frustration, you'll start to get kills.

Pvp is the best aspect of Eve - it's not just about shooting down ships, it's equally about being a part of unique stories and moments. So, start to learn now.

PS: Btw most important thing about pvp is range control.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#42 - 2014-04-16 07:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
and if not, what does?

What kind of missions? faction war missions? could... Smile (after all, even avoidance tactics is still "pvp")
Hisec industrial missions? nnnnnnno

If you are looking for more pvp info, ISK the guide Vol.2 is about to be released in English,10 more days. http://www.isktheguide.com/

I'm in it for the money

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-04-16 07:41:12 UTC
Ginding missions prepares you for grinding missions.
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-04-16 08:09:36 UTC
Grinding missions prepares your "wallet" for pvp.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-04-16 08:19:41 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
and if not, what does?

Yes, they do.
Keep grinding missions and you'll be the god of PVP.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Victor Andall
#46 - 2014-04-16 11:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Andall
I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.

PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship.
To favor range over damage.
To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls.
To be cap stable.
That tank overrules damage.
To orbit your targets or keep at range

Meanwhile, in PVP
Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with
Damage over range in most cases
You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal
You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts
You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming)
Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.

And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP

EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons

So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-04-16 11:26:24 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.

PVP prepares you for PVP.



But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"


Lots of PVP corps train their pilots.
If you do pvp a lot and think about fights afterwards so you can do better next time you will get better at it.
Same as anything in eve. Research, ask, try, learn, adapt, win.
Start with cheap frigates lose a ton, alter the fits, alter the ships you take on, alter your orbit /manual flying /keep at range to increase you win chances. It is nothing like missions.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Good Posting
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-04-16 11:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Good Posting
Buy 1000 frigates and feed random small gangs is one the the classic mantras here. It is not a bad thing but it is often recommended by people who never did that.

I mean, do what you feel you have to do and don't waste your time here asking for advices.

Edit. Well, the above poster is a good example of this. I remeber him in Venal. He was always in big fleets, like me. But my fleets were always bigger and we won. Does that mean that i'm better pvper than him? Not at all. Then why give advices if follow broadcast is all we did.

No offense intended.
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-04-16 11:52:09 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
and if not, what does?


Nope. It prepares me for becoming so bored I log off and play Planetside 2 instead.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-04-16 12:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Masuka Taredi
masternerdguy wrote:
No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in your pimped missioning ship.

PVP prepares you for PVP.


What this guy said. Go fly an affordable ship with t1 fit and buy a load of replacements ready to jump into when you die and go have fun somewhere. Learn as you go. Be respectful to your opponents and they might even help give you tips on how to improve.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#51 - 2014-04-16 13:26:52 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Yeah... missions prepare you for PvP just like CoD prepares you for the military.







Well, GTA did teach me how to slap-a-ho and that came in very handy in my former pimping career.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-04-16 13:39:08 UTC
Grinding missions helps finance my PVP, in part, because the standings help my industrialist make more money. Grinding missions does not do very much to teach you about PVP combat, except maybe the basics. Getting around some of the ewar resistances in some missions is interesting, though..

/蘭

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#53 - 2014-04-16 15:18:58 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.

PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship.
To favor range over damage.
To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls.
To be cap stable.
That tank overrules damage.
To orbit your targets or keep at range

Meanwhile, in PVP
Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with
Damage over range in most cases
You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal
You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts
You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming)
Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.

And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP

EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons

So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP




I just had this experience. I have an alt with 2M SP that I put into a blaster Brutix using a specific PVP fit. It's a DPS beast! But in a level 4 mission the tank just does not stand up to the BS-sized NPCs. There's simply not enough space to fit enough cap injectors to maintain presence. (and of course the damned rats had nuets).


I've known for years that a PVP fit does not work in a level 4 mission, but at 80 million SP I can make a lot of things work. The less SP one has, the more critical the relation between the present skills and the fitting. I have not had to tank against a specific damage type since 2010.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
#54 - 2014-04-16 15:42:09 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.

PVP prepares you for PVP.



But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"


Exactly the opposite. It's like saying "If you want to learn to swim, you have to get in the water."
Josef Djugashvilis
#55 - 2014-04-16 16:00:15 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Yeah... missions prepare you for PvP just like CoD prepares you for the military.







Unfortunately, some would argue that this is indeed the case X

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#56 - 2014-04-16 21:49:08 UTC
Grinding missions? It prepares you to refine better or whatever activities is tied to standings these days. I do missions when I'm so hung over I'd embarras myself in an actual fleet. If you must combine PVE with PVP, rat lowsec in a PVP fit or whatever. You eventually get sec tags or a fight out of it.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#57 - 2014-04-16 23:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Owen Levanth
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.

PVP prepares you for PVP.



But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"


No, it's literally saying "sink or swim". And it's true, even I made my first ever PVP-kill after losing an unbelievable amount of ships. (Because I'm lazy and stupid. I'm pretty sure the average player learns a lot faster and less costly.)

Grinding missions only prepares you to give up hope in life and humanity. I suggest taking a walk in the park and not more then 4-5 missions a day as a remedy against mission grinding.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-04-17 00:07:32 UTC
doing it ... no

it gives you the isk pool required to go out and lose a bunch of ships

luckily for you most of the SP transfers over without any hassle
you'll just want a quick bit of training in propulsion jamming

missions do not teach you the tactics or methods used in pvp
fraid you have to learn that stuff the hard way, by getting blown up lots by other players
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#59 - 2014-04-17 00:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If you just grind missions for ISK, you will never learn anything.

If you purposely try to use missions as a learning tool, then you may learn something from them.


Example: When I did some level 2 and level 3 missions in various destroyers, I learned a lot about the limitations of the ships vs. a superior opponent. I learned a lot about overheating modules too, and that some modules are a lot more durable than one would expect, and others are very fragile. I learned that missiles are a huge PITA for a small ship, even when they don't hit for full damage. I learned that by far, energy drains and webs were the scariest things for a small ship to face. etc.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2014-04-17 01:19:33 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.

PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship.
To favor range over damage.
To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls.
To be cap stable.
That tank overrules damage.
To orbit your targets or keep at range

Meanwhile, in PVP
Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with
Damage over range in most cases
You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal
You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts
You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming)
Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.

And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP

EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons

So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP

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