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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#41 - 2011-12-01 17:13:19 UTC
... I am just going to say that is by far the worst allaince logo I have ever seen.

Aside from that the most non eve logo as your excuse ive seen so far was probably the burning orphans, bees and the chop seuy box but at least you understood what they are.

Hell Im not a graphics artist (which is an entirely different breed of cgi art though wouldnt hurt me to learn how to) and probably could have made a better logo.

hell my current signature would fly for a logo once ccp got done with it.

To account why either logo is horrible is lack of direction or identity. Seriously if you showed that to random people and told them thats a logo for hydra they're going to laugh at you.

BTW CCP has to redraw the logo anyways.

And just to troll you guys from being unable to laud be back with "I would like to see you do better"

here you go. 5 minute logo done in paint

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Joe Space
Pod Liberation Authority
#42 - 2011-12-01 17:17:37 UTC
Cailais wrote:
Its a good argument but I think it fails to really hit the mark because your essentially saying 2 elements should justify why a log should be approved:

1. Its accepted and widely used by the Alliance
2. Its been in existence for a long time



you make some good points. I would add the following elements:

3. the Alliance has been active in the Eve community by creating more than its fair share of player content for over two years.
4. the logo isn't racist, sexist, etc.
5. and the logo has the Eve universe in mind.

in that case I'd say yes, CCP ought to allow the logo so long as it fits the technical requirements. By the time an alliance has done all that I really don't think CCP should dip into the sandbox and tell that alliance that their logo cannot be their logo.

I honestly don't think CCP is trying to "punish" Hydra for the AT. Only people who don't understand the AT think Hydra did anything wrong, and all of CCPs comments on the subject have been congratulatory - hell, if everyone put as much effort into the AT as Hydra did it would have been an amazing competition!

I think CCP is just trying to be consistent and stand behind a decision that was probably made without all the information. Hydra have been known to troll, so it is fair that CCP would be skeptical. I think it is pretty obvious though, if you read the thread, that Hydra isn't trying to troll anyone with our logo. We've been using it for two years and most of us really like it.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-12-01 17:20:35 UTC
Your logo is terrible.


PS. Now to address the real problem in this thread. One good way to get the dog out of your lazyboy is to take out it's food cup/food bag and make noises indicating food is being prepared. I suggest that you have your wife prepare some drink and a sandwich for you before proceeding with the plan. When the dog comes investigating the noises you must take control of the lazyboy and defend it against further incursions. When the dog returns and sees the lazyboy being occupied, you then eat and drink your lunch coolly in front of it's sad looking face as an indication of your dominance over his inferior species.
Drake Iddon
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#44 - 2011-12-01 17:23:22 UTC
Hydra allice needs her logo

/support
Mercurial Blood
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#45 - 2011-12-01 17:23:51 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
... I am just going to say that is by far the worst allaince logo I have ever seen.

Aside from that the most non eve logo as your excuse ive seen so far was probably the burning orphans, bees and the chop seuy box but at least you understood what they are.

Hell Im not a graphics artist (which is an entirely different breed of cgi art though wouldnt hurt me to learn how to) and probably could have made a better logo.

hell my current signature would fly for a logo once ccp got done with it.

To account why either logo is horrible is lack of direction or identity. Seriously if you showed that to random people and told them thats a logo for hydra they're going to laugh at you.

BTW CCP has to redraw the logo anyways.

And just to troll you guys from being unable to laud be back with "I would like to see you do better"

here you go. 5 minute logo done in paint


What is better? What is worse? Can you really evaluate art like that?

Honestly we aren't talking about better or worse, it would be unfair to try to qualify art on some linear scale from bad to good. All we are saying is that our logo suits us perfectly and is the perfect representation of us for EVE online which is something every other logo does not do.

There is no evaluation other than that. All other evaluations are just opinion and I'm not an art critic (lol)!
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#46 - 2011-12-01 17:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Just pointing out Function.

Logos are self defined by the function they fullfill and according to some people out there arent considered art at all but more of a tool.

Properly tempered forged steel hammers verse untreated iron hammers sort of argument.

Is it art? tbh I dont give two spits in a can over it if it is art to be critizied or not its a poor tool and any alliance that plays to win would get the best damned tool out ther that is.

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Minigin
Bump Force Trauma
#47 - 2011-12-01 17:27:57 UTC
as far as inside jokes not being allowed to be logos, when i was in voltron we submitted a logo of a dinasour skull with a helmet on it.

it was rejected because it didnt have eve universe in mind several times. the art design was actually quite clean we nicely done.

a few months later test alliance has a dinosaur in a suit approved. so really what this says to me isnt that the logos need to have eve in mind, but that if the people in charge of approving the design think its funny it doesnt matter whether or not the logo has anything to do with eve at all.


thats why i think ccp need to stay consistent and as long as the logo isnt offensive they should allow it.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#48 - 2011-12-01 17:31:36 UTC
If you really dont get what I am trying to say is.

When I sit around in CQ modifying orders and sov change update rolls though I can immediately tell who lost and who won by logo alone or at least get me interested enough to go find out who owns that logo.

Either of hydras logo even if evified wouldnt cut that list.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#49 - 2011-12-01 17:32:22 UTC
ok, well lets look at the big picture

CCP makes the rules
their house, their rules

just like with the forums, is what you did bad? no not really, but if the mods don't like it it gets the lock

I think the logo is rubbish and reflects an inside joke that most people viewing it will not get and will just reflect badly on either HR or CCP

that said CCP should have a better justification for why player created content don't cut it, when that content don't cut it.

I can see the reasoning, it just looks poor, not crudely executed, just poor.
if put up against a stick figure drawn my an autistic CEO I'd have to side with the autistic guy as he probably put more effort and heart into that stick figure than you guys put into your derp derp scribble.

but at the same time CCP should have a better reason or appropriate guidelines to the successful execution of a logo
but arguments aside, good luck fighting city hall
Joe Space
Pod Liberation Authority
#50 - 2011-12-01 17:36:21 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:


here you go. 5 minute logo done in paint


i actually think that is quite pretty, other than the lettering.

as far as using the logo as a tool i think you are totally correct. our logo is definitely being used as a tool, when people see our logo they think of Hydra. for people who have followed what we do, the logo is enough. it is established and effective. even without being used in game.

as we are all pretty excited about the game again, however, the desire to see the logo in game is strong. if it doesn't make it in game, we will continue to use it and people will continue to know it's our logo.
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#51 - 2011-12-01 17:37:11 UTC
Minigin wrote:
as far as inside jokes not being allowed to be logos, when i was in voltron we submitted a logo of a dinasour skull with a helmet on it.

it was rejected because it didnt have eve universe in mind several times. the art design was actually quite clean we nicely done.

a few months later test alliance has a dinosaur in a suit approved. so really what this says to me isnt that the logos need to have eve in mind, but that if the people in charge of approving the design think its funny it doesnt matter whether or not the logo has anything to do with eve at all.


thats why i think ccp need to stay consistent and as long as the logo isnt offensive they should allow it.


Not to say that there is anything wrong with a dinosaur in a suit, because we think it's great.

...or even any of the other logos in that photo reel. They are all expressions of their respective alliances and even if there is disagreement about their artistic merits alliances should be allowed to express themselves through their logo however they want.

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smaster
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-12-01 17:38:39 UTC
I think the single biggest reason on why HYDRA RELOADED ALLIANCE has no logo is the fact

that CCP ART DEPARMENT is favoured towards 1000000 player alliances

winks through Dinosaurs and Bees and "Guy Building a House" (Brick Squad) Alliance logo

and then blocks off small alliances

Its UNFAIR to judge about HYDRA RELOADED ALLIANCE and tell them they are not worth having a logo

FOR GODS SAKE, CCP, GIVE THEM THEIR LOGO

WHY DOES CCP BLOCK HYDRAS LOGO?
Mercurial Blood
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#53 - 2011-12-01 17:39:26 UTC
Morganta wrote:
ok, well lets look at the big picture

CCP makes the rules
their house, their rules

just like with the forums, is what you did bad? no not really, but if the mods don't like it it gets the lock

I think the logo is rubbish and reflects an inside joke that most people viewing it will not get and will just reflect badly on either HR or CCP

that said CCP should have a better justification for why player created content don't cut it, when that content don't cut it.

I can see the reasoning, it just looks poor, not crudely executed, just poor.
if put up against a stick figure drawn my an autistic CEO I'd have to side with the autistic guy as he probably put more effort and heart into that stick figure than you guys put into your derp derp scribble.

but at the same time CCP should have a better reason or appropriate guidelines to the successful execution of a logo
but arguments aside, good luck fighting city hall


Well it may be all fine and dandy for you of the 1%. But HYDRA RELOADED will fight like the 99% against this, the best way to get noticed is to start up a discussion on the topic to logically express our views.

Our views remain unchanged: This is our logo and our logo by all means meets the standards in this sandbox; there is no objective method to evaluate art.

You think the logo is 'rubbish' but to me it looks great and represents HYDRA RELOADED perfectly. A subjective evaluation of our art ruins the sandbox.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#54 - 2011-12-01 17:40:15 UTC
+1 to CCP for telling them to go get knotted with that useless logo.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2011-12-01 17:45:16 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
... I am just going to say that is by far the worst allaince logo I have ever seen.



Yep. I have seen your "art" and as much as I wish I could unsee it, it isn't going away.

Looks like you have met your match.

And furries? Dude....

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Halarach
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2011-12-01 17:47:24 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
here you go. 5 minute logo done in paint


It's kind of cool but it's not our logo. Our logo has been acclaimed by everyone in hydra when it was first presented. We are attached to it and would like to have it in game, as we support anybody that want to have their own logo ingame as long as it's not offensive (not that we care that much, but we would understand that an offensive logo wouldn't make it)

cheers
Lady Shaniqua
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#57 - 2011-12-01 17:47:31 UTC
/Supported
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#58 - 2011-12-01 17:48:18 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
... I am just going to say that is by far the worst allaince logo I have ever seen.



Yep. I have seen your "art" and as much as I wish I could unsee it, it isn't going away.

Looks like you have met your match.

And furries? Dude....


how dare you judge ART?

I actually liked his 5minute hydra logo tbh

.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2011-12-01 17:51:08 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
... I am just going to say that is by far the worst allaince logo I have ever seen.



Yep. I have seen your "art" and as much as I wish I could unsee it, it isn't going away.

Looks like you have met your match.

And furries? Dude....


how dare you judge ART?

I actually liked his 5minute hydra logo tbh


Dude.. OUR LOGO HAS FUR!

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#60 - 2011-12-01 17:53:58 UTC
All due respect to HR but I think the primary problem is that it simply looks like something you took 5 seconds to scribble out in Paint.

If you kept the basic concept and at least made "some" attempt to make it look like a serious attempt to produce a logo they could very easily reconsider. Even an emoticon, or stick figure for that matter, looks more polished than that (sorry that's kind of harsh, I know).

Still, while I can see why CCP went "WTF? A 5yr. olds scribble is their in game logo?" in the final analysis I do support you in your effort to make it your symbol. I just really can't blame CCP for saying you need to try a bit harder.

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