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No More High Sec Manufacturing?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#81 - 2014-04-15 22:27:36 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
The solution to this is, attacking POS in highsec is now a suspect level offense instead of a criminal level offense.

Was that in the devblog? I missed it.

Nowhere. It's just something people dream of because they can't be arsed with waiting 25 hours.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#82 - 2014-04-15 22:29:36 UTC
This is why I dont bother manufacturing. The grind just got worse.

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#83 - 2014-04-15 22:35:01 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Nolen Cadmar wrote:
Thibault Etienne wrote:

Come on CCP. I hope you really aint thinking of making hi sec manufacturing less efficient. It makes no sense.

I hope they do exactly that....Risk vs Reward. Highsec = low risk, so low reward. Lowsec=higher risk, therefore higher reward.


Makes perfect sense, that is why the most profitable manufacturing in the world is done in Somalia...

Yes, but if you were able to manufacture in Somalia, it would be more profitable than in the US as you wouldn't have to pay any tax. You'd just need to hire a private army to take care of the pirates. Quite a fitting example when relating this to eve I think.


Where this breaks down is that the game enforces stability. Somalia would be quite safe if it operated on Eve mechanics(rebel guerilla fighters need to spend a few hours attacking your factory, then wait a day and attack again, or they need to attack during the 30 seconds you are teleporting to the USA).

My issue with this is that small groups can't get into null sec industry. Its hard enough to start manufacturing if you live in high sec.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#84 - 2014-04-15 22:37:07 UTC
I want a T3 Battle Badger.

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#85 - 2014-04-15 22:37:16 UTC
Volar Kang wrote:
Can you imagine how many HIgh-Sec POS's are going to be going BOOM after this summer patch? Imagine all the Merc groups and other PVPer's tracking down all the POS's with labs and wardeccing those corps. It will only cost you 50 million to war dec and the chance of a 100mill plus BPO dropping is going to be huge. How many of these small size alt corps actually log in each day and look for wardecs?

I see a lot of tears coming to the forums soon as POS bashing comes back in style.


There're dire predictions like this before every patch, and the results are never anywhere near as destructive as the predictions say.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#86 - 2014-04-15 22:40:40 UTC
Type VIIb wrote:
You single man corps are going to get bowled over eventually (it'll take a while).


You know, I've heard there's some mercenaries out there who remove or defend POSs for a price If only someone knew who these jokers were...

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#87 - 2014-04-15 22:41:27 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Volar Kang wrote:
Can you imagine how many HIgh-Sec POS's are going to be going BOOM after this summer patch? Imagine all the Merc groups and other PVPer's tracking down all the POS's with labs and wardeccing those corps. It will only cost you 50 million to war dec and the chance of a 100mill plus BPO dropping is going to be huge. How many of these small size alt corps actually log in each day and look for wardecs?

I see a lot of tears coming to the forums soon as POS bashing comes back in style.

There're dire predictions like this before every patch, and the results are never anywhere near as destructive as the predictions say.

…especially since none of the POSes will contain any BPOs.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#88 - 2014-04-15 22:41:41 UTC
Im scared. Someone hold me? Sad

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#89 - 2014-04-15 22:42:06 UTC
Hey kids!

Who is super looking forward to the next industry devblog?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#90 - 2014-04-15 22:43:50 UTC
Dealth Striker wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Type VIIb wrote:
I'll reread this when I get home but this sure seems like the final nail in the coffin for me.

The POS anywhere bit will kill one of my income streams. It also means that there will be a land grab and forced wars for moons. You single man corps are going to get bowled over eventually (it'll take a while).

For the PVP types, enjoy, but the casual small player is getting forced deeper and deeper in to the cracks of the game. I have no desire to be forced in to a large group and listen to corp politics drone on or be wardecced in to ineffectiveness. For me, at the end of a play session if I have to ask myself if I am having fun then that is a sign things are going in the wrong direction.

No, you can't have my stuff.


Why don't you wait to see how the story ends before you decide it's a tragedy?


Yes by no means offer up your opinions (especially if they are negative)
Wait until it plays out and then give your opinion.
That way CCP can turn around and say "Well you never said anything when it was talked about"


You sure are going out of your way to try and bait people


Making hay while the sun shines! Blink

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Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2014-04-15 23:10:11 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hey kids!

Who is super looking forward to the next industry devblog?

Meh. I'm actually more interested in the research one now, since it'll be the key to many of the things people are complaining about. But sure, the UI could prove interesting as well if they manage to build a proper workflow into it.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#92 - 2014-04-15 23:10:27 UTC
Is this another AFK cloaking thread?
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
#93 - 2014-04-15 23:12:37 UTC
It looks extremely bad, --- for me.

I have no problem with risk, hiring mercenaries, cost etc. These can all be estimated and factored in. And they are the same for everybody. But how about the effort I put into the game in the last two years to position myself ahead of competition?
Yes, research and copy slots are a scarce resource. This is why setting up a POS in high sec is desirable. Yet, it is not easy. Building up the necessary faction standing was tedious and mildly boring. Yet, I did this to have a competitive advantage. And this now flies out of the window. Free POS in high sec for everybody!

I have no problem with adapting to new playgrounds. Yet, I think CCP is about to remove something for which I worked really hard. This appears neither balanced nor fair.

On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#94 - 2014-04-15 23:14:07 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Is this another AFK cloaking thread?

Yes. Remove local.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-04-15 23:17:55 UTC
Altessa Post wrote:
Yet, I think CCP is about to remove something for which I worked really hard. This appears neither balanced nor fair.
Agreed... But no one seems to care if a few are affected to make a change for the many. It's happened to me too. I imagine, some day something will eventually drive me out. Sucks...
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#96 - 2014-04-15 23:18:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hey kids!

Who is super looking forward to the next industry devblog?


I'm looking forward to all of them.. and again agreeing with Tippia here ( we always seem to have the same idea !)..
The Research blog will be the most interesting one.. then I can finally tell my corpies: I TOLD YOU SO, as I have a whole bunch of them whining about it.. while I'm the one that runs the RnD POS and have yet to see anything that is worrying me.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#97 - 2014-04-15 23:18:28 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Thibault Etienne wrote:


Come on CCP. I hope you really aint thinking of making hi sec manufacturing less efficient. It makes no sense.


For the game it does make sense.



What has lacked sense, based on what I see the nullsec crowd and the 2 or 3 industrialists out there (*snark!), is that players in complete control of their facilities do not have as much control over the efficiency of them as much as the cost and logistics of emplacing, defending, and maintaining them would imply.


Given what they wanted, and for the reasons they cited over the years (I recall some of the goons being vocal about this) we would see a day of "Nullsec super-production facilities" that would put the production and value of a highsec installation to shame.



While I don't have a dog in the fight, it only seems logical to conclude that if someone is going to pay for SOV and defend it, then having some balls-to-the-wall production capabilities is only fitting.


Based on everything we have seen, creating passive income sources for null sec doesn't make people fight over it. It just reinforces cartels.

Industry based income encourages stability. Small groups can't break it up and the big guys can agree not to attack each other's industry.


Possibly. But if there is a reason to fight (like limited resources for example, if this PVP game ever implements this one facet that was a catalyst for almost all human conflict, hint hint) it becomes possible to attack their industry with heavies instead of alt-owned corporations in highsec - a situation that resorts to "Talos fleets" and only benefits those that have the numbers.

These changes are likely going to cut in both directions. In the end I don't think anybody will have the game handed to them.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#98 - 2014-04-15 23:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Nolen Cadmar wrote:
CETA Elitist wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:


Also - "Allow Starbases to be anchored anywhere in high-security space and without standing requirements"


oh my GERD

space city, here i come!!! \o/

Are they talking about anchoring a POS NOT at a moon? I interpreted "anywhere" to mean that the sec status would not effect the required standings for anchoring.

So.... POS's everywhere (not just on moons)? Is....is that going to be a thing?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#99 - 2014-04-15 23:25:36 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
So.... POS's everywhere (not just on moons)? Is....is that going to be a thing?

No.
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#100 - 2014-04-15 23:31:38 UTC
That makes me sad.