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Its ok to be greedy.
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das licht
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-04-15 06:26:16 UTC
Greed is bad and will always remain as such. Not only in the game.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#22 - 2014-04-15 06:28:25 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
You know who else thought greed was good?




and yet you still play?

Don't go pointing fingers until you think about what you're pointing out. You and I are exploitable resources - just like moons and fw lp. The difference comes from executing the tactic well which hilmar did not.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#23 - 2014-04-15 06:34:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You know who else thought greed was good?


Edsger Dijkstra?



Goto ISK considered harmful.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#24 - 2014-04-15 07:46:45 UTC
Saying "got what he deserves" is actually quite fitting. When a player decides to take more risks in order to have better gains, he does indeed deserve a more engaging outcome of his activities. That can be a negative or a positive outcome, but that he deserves it is sort of a given. Cool
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#25 - 2014-04-15 12:24:48 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't think too many people complain about greed directly.

It's when someone loses something and then blames the perceived "villain" rather than taking responsibility for their loss. The whines that result from greed are the issue, not the greed itself.

It seems that being personally responsible for decisions and choices is not the in thing at the moment.


/thread
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-04-15 12:36:53 UTC
Organic Lager wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You know who else thought greed was good?



Gordon Gekko?



Isnt he Liberace?

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Solecist Project
#27 - 2014-04-15 12:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
shamefull admittance of drunk posting. :)

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#28 - 2014-04-15 13:05:58 UTC
tiewan wrote:
Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.

Greed is good.

As long as it's not exceeding intelligence or even common sense.

People who suffer from the latter are most often called "marks".

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#29 - 2014-04-15 14:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Some deep thoughts on greed:

Greed is all right, by the way. I want you to know that. I think greed is healthy. You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself.
-Ivan Boesky to Berkeley business school graduating class. Not long later he went to prison for insider securities trading.

It is not that humans have become any more greedy than in generations past. It is that the avenues to express greed had grown so enormously.
-Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve

Trishna [thirst, craving, desire, greed] is the cause of stress or suffering.
-The Second Noble Truth in the Buddha's teachings
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-04-15 17:30:11 UTC
tiewan wrote:
Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.

This bothers me.

Greed is what makes eve work. It is what inspires people to build corporations and empires and conquer territory.
Sure, sometimes this means going after easy targets. But that is part of the game.

Greed is a good trait to have and it should be encouraged.

Chastise people for not being quick enough to spot a scam.. But don't try to make them feel bad for being greedy.

Greed is not a good description of what happens in eve. I rather call it "aggressive adherence to the principles of self interest". The left in the world would have you believe that this equals greed; it does not. If you don't look out for yourself no one else is going to. The "collective" certainly can't do as good a job at it as you yourself can.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#31 - 2014-04-15 20:55:32 UTC
Of course greed is good!

Its greed that makes the miners fit for max yield instead of tank.

Its greed that makes the mission runner fit billions in officer/deadspace mods.

Its greed that makes the freighter pilot pack his hold with billions in goods and PLEX.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-04-15 21:01:34 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Of course greed is good!

Its greed that makes the miners fit for max yield instead of tank.

Its greed that makes the mission runner fit billions in officer/deadspace mods.

Its greed that makes the freighter pilot pack his hold with billions in goods and PLEX.




Actually that's just laziness.

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Marsha Mallow
#33 - 2014-04-15 21:04:51 UTC
Greed is fine, with strangers. It's when you cross that line and do it with people you interact with it starts getting tacky. It's the gloating side that turns people off - OK you won, ding ding. No need to **** off about it for a hours tho, christ, get a life :P

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#34 - 2014-04-15 21:05:12 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Of course greed is good!

Its greed that makes the miners fit for max yield instead of tank.

Its greed that makes the mission runner fit billions in officer/deadspace mods.

Its greed that makes the freighter pilot pack his hold with billions in goods and PLEX.




Actually that's just laziness.


Its laziness that makes the miner go AFK or bot.

Its laziness that makes the mission runner let his sentries clear the room for him, and MTU clean up for him.

Its laziness that makes the freighter pilot turn on Autopilot and go AFK.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
#35 - 2014-04-15 21:08:34 UTC
It's mental gymnastics to excuse ones own behaviour. In all scams the scammer is responsible. He sets the trap and using manipulative/lying behaviour lures in some gullibe person.
People like to see themselves as good people even when they are not and use any excuuse to maintain that image. Even blaming the victim.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-04-15 21:12:43 UTC
Silvara Nocturn wrote:
It's mental gymnastics to excuse ones own behaviour. In all scams the scammer is responsible. He sets the trap and using manipulative/lying behaviour lures in some gullibe person.
People like to see themselves as good people even when they are not and use any excuuse to maintain that image. Even blaming the victim.



What many fail to see is that even "good people" do bad things.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#37 - 2014-04-15 21:26:39 UTC
What many fail to see is that there does not have to be a "good" person and a "bad" person in any given exchange.

Also, "greed" is usually kept from distinct from, say, "ambition" or "self-interest" because it's used to imply an excessively risky or self-defeating emphasis on acquiring as much wealth as possible as quickly as possible. You can be much more materially successful than a greedy person simply by being clear-headed and patient. You're much less likely to fall for scams that way, as well.

That said, the responsibility for a con lies with the con artist. The person conned must have made a mistake, because otherwise the con wouldn't have worked, but we're all vulnerable sometimes. If the con hadn't been set up, nothing would have happened.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2014-04-15 21:29:51 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
What many fail to see is that even "good people" do bad things.


That is because we allow our opinions to be shaped by what people say, rather than what they do.

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#39 - 2014-04-15 21:31:41 UTC
tiewan wrote:
Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.

This bothers me.

Greed is what makes eve work. It is what inspires people to build corporations and empires and conquer territory.
Sure, sometimes this means going after easy targets. But that is part of the game.

Greed is a good trait to have and it should be encouraged.

Chastise people for not being quick enough to spot a scam.. But don't try to make them feel bad for being greedy.


The problem isn't greed. Its(typically) stupidity.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#40 - 2014-04-16 04:25:57 UTC
I forgot to be greedy before the Rattlesnake buyouts. So now I'll only be 35% greedy instead of 95%.

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