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An Announcement On The Future Of The World Of Darkness Project

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Prince Kobol
#201 - 2014-04-15 15:02:53 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
[quote=Lachra]

I've been thinking this for quite a while, and it seems they are going in the right direction, but progress just seems to be too slow with the threat of games like Star Citizen on the horizon.




N other game will threaten Eve including SC (and I am backer of SC as well).

The only thing that can really hurt Eve is CCP.

As many people have already said things like Sov Mechanics, PoS's, S&I, Corp Roles, etc need to be fixed.

Tweaks and rebalances are all good however there will come a time and I believe that time is getting closer that it will no longer suffice.
Just Lilly
#202 - 2014-04-15 15:08:12 UTC
Bam Stroker wrote:
I really wanted WoD Online to be a thing, too. I was a fan of VtM before Eve had even seen the light of day. :\

I hope the devs that got laid off find work again quickly.

Just Lilly wrote:
The End

I have not played EvE for atleast 4 years, just kept the sub running to support the WoD project.

**** happens, atleast now I have a reason to put that skill que to an end Cool

07

Can I have your stuff?


Quite a few beat you to it ;)

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Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#203 - 2014-04-15 15:14:37 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:


I WANT you to succeed, I've given you alot of money over the years.

But YOU have to want it too, and stop seeing everywhere other than EVE as the place to invest, when EVE is why you all have jobs in the first place.

Good luck.



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Butzewutze
Doomheim
#204 - 2014-04-15 15:15:42 UTC
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While this is a sad moment for those affected, this puts us in a far stronger position to devote more time and resources to the EVE Universe and our projects therein.


This is what you should have done 2-3 years ago. I seriously hope its not to late now.
Eric Stratton
Sanxing Yi
#205 - 2014-04-15 15:16:47 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
You can not invest long term projects on temporary fads. During the hey-day of Twilight and the such, such a game would have seemed do-able. But by the time you get around to releasing it, the fad is long over.

Space based Sci-fi however has been around since the 1940s and isnt going away.

My .02 isk


I don't understand how people keep saying this about WoD, going on about Twilight and so on, when Vampire: The Masquerade is over 22 years old. Maybe you weren't born yet? Vampire fiction has been around since at least 1897 and isn't going away.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#206 - 2014-04-15 15:24:29 UTC
Lysenko Alland wrote:


Well, that they were unable to share a date with you didn't mean they didn't have a date in mind. While project management might have been an issue with WoD, it wasn't necessarily the key issue, for a few reasons.


One being that they fired most of White Wolf Atlanta after the summer of rage. Id have gotten the **** out of that company after that seeing that they were expendable as hell

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#207 - 2014-04-15 15:25:25 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
[quote=Lachra]

I've been thinking this for quite a while, and it seems they are going in the right direction, but progress just seems to be too slow with the threat of games like Star Citizen on the horizon.




N other game will threaten Eve including SC (and I am backer of SC as well).

That is rather short sighted of you to believe no other game will threaten eve. This is the same type of complacency which worries me in CCP.

Reality check, eve is just a game, and part luck and part from CCPs vision and efforts, it has been successful for the last ten years. This does in no way mean that eve is indestructible or immortal as some seem to believe.

Luckily for CCP competition in the Sci Fi market has been completely lacking in the last ten years, but that doesn't mean that it will always be the case.

I always wish for Eve to success as I have invested a lot of time in it, but the truth is if a proper sci fi simulator comes along with the prospect of having same depth and complexity which eve offers, then it would be difficult to maintain enthusiasm for keeping multiple active eve subscriptions, and I'm pretty sure that will be the same for many others.
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#208 - 2014-04-15 15:25:38 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
- CCP Falcon did not want to go into rumors before the actual information has been personally discussed with the people affected by it. Would you want to find out you're being fired via Reddit or via the people you work for? It's a simple matter of courtesy which is blown way over proportion.

Deliberately misrepresenting the facts, a.k.a. lying, is not courtesy. Go re-read one directly affected person’s comment from the reddit thread quoted above: she doesn't seem to have felt like it was either. No statement was called for. One was given nevertheless. This wasn't ‘good management’, or ‘damage control’, or ‘public relations’. It was just lying. Not impressed. Last time I take CCP Falcon’s word, on its own, for anything.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#209 - 2014-04-15 15:27:09 UTC
Reiisha wrote:


- WiS was not the reason for the 2011 riots, Greed is Good was. More than enough people still want WiS as long as it fits into EVE properly and personally i hope the WoD assets and tools find their way into a new plan for WiS.


The fact that they stopped EVE development for what 18 months to make WiS was the cause. WiS has become the scapegoat for that rage. Sorry bout your barbies, but I doubt theyre gonna go back in that direction any time soon when the hit they took cost them 20% of their company's personnel.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Butzewutze
Doomheim
#210 - 2014-04-15 15:29:43 UTC
Next on the list:

Dust 514

Personaly i give it not more than 12 months before it will sold / canceling development.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#211 - 2014-04-15 15:30:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
You can not invest long term projects on temporary fads. During the hey-day of Twilight and the such, such a game would have seemed do-able. But by the time you get around to releasing it, the fad is long over.

Space based Sci-fi however has been around since the 1940s and isnt going away.

My .02 isk


again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_%28novel%29 written in 2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_%282008_film%29 filmed in 2008


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade Released in 1991.

Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#212 - 2014-04-15 15:33:28 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
- CCP Falcon did not want to go into rumors before the actual information has been personally discussed with the people affected by it. Would you want to find out you're being fired via Reddit or via the people you work for? It's a simple matter of courtesy which is blown way over proportion.

Deliberately misrepresenting the facts, a.k.a. lying, is not courtesy. Go re-read one directly affected person’s comment from the reddit thread quoted above: she doesn't seem to have felt like it was either. No statement was called for. One was given nevertheless. This wasn't ‘good management’, or ‘damage control’, or ‘public relations’. It was just lying. Not impressed. Last time I take CCP Falcon’s word, on its own, for anything.


Agreed. Having been laid off before, nothing is worse than the false hope of some corporate lackey. I feel sorry for those laid off, and even worse for those who saw CCP Falcon's comments on reddit and were hopeful they'd still have a job.

Either don't say anything, or give your (former) employees the truth about their situation. The fact that rumors even got out in the first place is testament to bad management around the layoff / closure.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#213 - 2014-04-15 15:33:58 UTC
I suspect we will see an influx of emo-vampire outerwear in the NEX now?

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Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#214 - 2014-04-15 15:36:32 UTC
Butzewutze wrote:
Next on the list:

Dust 514

Personaly i give it not more than 12 months before it will sold / canceling development.


Yea, if WoD was cancelled because they couldn't deliver the experience they wanted their user base to have, you gotta think Dust514 is next on the list.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#215 - 2014-04-15 15:37:03 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie



So just what was the theme of WOD?

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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2014-04-15 15:37:23 UTC
Too bad, I really liked the WoD universe. Although I must admit I had 'some' ( Roll) doubts if CCP could pull off making it into a decent game given the huge ammount of **** ups on various projects by CCP in recent years.
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
Hatakani Trade Winds Combine
#217 - 2014-04-15 15:55:04 UTC
A sad ending for a very ambitious project i was looking forward to.

I hope CCP salvages as much as possible from it to make Eve better. There are some very talented and Carbon-incorporated designers / programmers looking to work on a new project now. Make use of it. Would be sad to just scrap the whole effort made in the last years.

Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#218 - 2014-04-15 16:14:37 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
Too bad, I really liked the WoD universe. Although I must admit I had 'some' ( Roll) doubts if CCP could pull off making it into a decent game given the huge ammount of **** ups on various projects by CCP in recent years.


I figured it was doomed as soon as I heard that they were going back to square one because of Rust/DayZ. Nothing against those games--I've never played either--but if you chase every new shiny you will never ship anything, or maybe you'll push out some poorly-stitched-together Frankenstein monster of a game, only to watch it collapse under its own weight.

I guess I'm puzzled that WoD itself wasn't inspiration enough. But then, I haven't heard much good about the working environment in the Atlanta offices, so maybe nothing was ever going to happen. It's a shame, because a WoD MMO could be amazing, and CCP could pull it off. Their particular brand of mostly-hands-off dystopian sandbox is perfect for the game.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#219 - 2014-04-15 16:16:32 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie



So just what was the theme of WOD?



So something that preceeds a movie by almost 20 years based on a theme is still based on that movie?


nice logic there

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#220 - 2014-04-15 16:23:20 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie



So just what was the theme of WOD?
Gothic-Punk Personal Horror, pyramid schemes, loss of humanity, tragic endings.
But that is still not needed to tell you that you are utterly wrong in comparing cWoD or nWoD to Twilight. The two have nothing to do with each other. WoD is almost as old as I am, I have played it for more than half my life by now. Calling it a Twilight-induced fad is a non-sequiter and an insult to your own abilities to comprehend.
If anyone thinks that WoD and Twilight would appeal to the same audience, they are deluded. Would WoD appeal to tweenage girls? No. WoD would appeal to a mature audience, in their twenties or older, who like the personal horror, the stories of humanity lost, the clash of young versus ancient, the paranoia and distrust, the building of what is yours ... The same groups to whom the original pen and paper games appealed to.

Would tweenage girls and other fans of Twilight sign up for WoD? Some might, most probably wouldn't. Like you get people in EVE who wants security to do undisturbed PvE, you'd get people who cannot fit into the WoD universe as well. Like EVE, however, it would probably be a self-rectifying process.
WoD is a grander setting than EVE is right now.

I had very high hopes for a cWoD MMO. It was a part of what made me continue with EVE, to see what CCP Games could do with this game as a prelude to the real test of doing the cWoD universe justice.
Would they have failed that task? Yes, just like White Wolf did.

So perhaps it was the least painful way, this highway paved with betrayals and in direction of Hell.