EVE General Discussion

A few might outright quit, but the most likely result will be in dropping of alts, but the mains will stay.

Actually this is a very stupid idea. ISboxers 1: are not against the EULA and 2: provide CCP with extra subscription money. Anyone can ISbox if they have the time..... which is why this is actually not an issue about ISboxer but is actually about a much older issue. You are just mad because there are people who have a lot more free time than you or me and can spend the time to farm the isk, start 10 accounts, train them for a few months, then ISbox them for enough time to make the money back. Normal players usually can't get the initial capital or expend the time it takes to break even or run them well, so it becomes the old story of "That guy has more stuff than I do from playing 2 hours a week and I hate that".

As for plex prices, if you got rid of all ISboxing accounts that would not take out NEARLY as much plex demand as ya think. It would take out some, but not a lot. Now let's ask what happens when you do this? By removing bring less revenue to CCP and at the same time introduce a lot less minerals into the market because there are less people farming. That would cause all commodity costs to raise and your plex prices would not budge enough to justify the difference. As it has been for the past 5 years, mining profits are **** isk/hour and if they are put on par with other activities by eliminating massive amounts of miners or by reducing ore yields, it will skyrocket the price of all the precious ships you fly.

TL;DR : HTFU, learn to market.

Actually CCP devs and GMs have both DIRECTLY said ISboxer is not against the EULA. The only people who claim "it's against the EULA" are just mad that it's actually not and are just trying to spread doubt. You sir, either need to educate yourself in case you are ignorant, or kill someone that may or may not be yourself for trying to advance such propaganda :P

- Edit for you lazy guys.

"Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA."

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274

You mean the part of the post the GM specifically listed as 'Old, out of date' is what you are trying to base your argument on....
That post specifically agrees with my statement that ISBoxers ability to propagate clicks is something they let slide but they do not explicitly say that ISBoxer as an entire program is legit.

Seriously, reading comprehension. Read the whole post, not just quote the one line that supports you while ignoring the fact that is has just been declared officially out of date.


To quote a more relevant up to date part of that same post you tried to use badly.
"Our general stance towards the concept of multiboxing has not changed but we cannot guarantee that the EULA is being upheld should you use any of the software/hardware mentioned by name in this post, nor will we at EVE customer support be able to officially endorse or sanction specific third party multiboxing programs."
I.E. Multiboxing is allowed, Multiboxing programs may not be.

PLEX will continue to rise as long as incursions, null ratting and insurance continue to vomit currency into the game economy faster than it can be consumed.

Remove insurance (and give newbies some alternate way to recover from ship losses, like awarding cruiser hulls for L2 storyline missions), go further with the ESS-style 'more LP, less ISK' on null ratting, and change incursions to pay out more LP and less ISK, and watch PLEX prices fall over time.

I never said that it would be a good idea to do that.
Also I don't buy PLEX. Why would I grind several hours for a PLEX, when I can just go to work for ~30minutes and afterwards have fun in the game?



Uhm... I don't care what players say about it's legality and the last statement I read from a GM stated that certain parts of it are illegal.
But let's not go there again. Since you don't get banned for it, it's pointless to discuss it's legality anyway.

Yeah, just wait until they get to 980 mil

ISBoxers, especially miners, are the primary consumers of PLEX, in proportion to the rest of the playerbase.
These are single individuals with 3-6 accounts dedicated to that function, IN ADDITION TO THEIR OTHER ACCOUNTS, and as such, outweigh the influx of new PLEX,as bought with currency, into the game.

Currently, 1hr of ice mining per day for a month, is roughly sufficient to PLEX the account.
If you have 6 mining accounts, with 2hrs of ice mining per day, you can PLEX a total of 12 (twelve) accounts.
That is an enormous PLEX sink.

That is, imo, primarily why PLEX is rising. More ISBox miners competing for PLEX that is purchased by an entirely different part of the community.

I strongly believe, that if for example Ice Anomalies became random as other Ore Anomalies are, there would be a marked reduction both in number of accounts, and PLEX consumption, as ISBox mining fleets struggled to deal with the added effort of PLEXing themselves.

The influx of PLEX the market received as a flood of new players brought PLEX to it in the aftermath of the media hit battle, has been exhausted.

Anticipation of more AUR options has contributed a bit to PLEX demand increasing, but not much.

The upcoming Fanfest will also drain PLEX from the market, for the live feed, raising demand even higher, as well as the Timecapsule option and other PLEXable functions related to the Fest.

I expect PLEX to climb to just under a billion in the next 6 months, unless the next expansion is sensational enough to bring in a notable flood of new players purchasing PLEX. Infact, the expansion will probabaly bring back old players, who will liquidate assets to ISK to buy PLEX to check the new content, and drive the price up even faster.

Make no mistake though, it is ISBOX miners who constitute the majority of the PLEX market.
As PLEX rises, expect enormous whine from those players, and a big reduction in active accounts.
I suggest that a big indicator of PLEX price and sustainability, is around the 2hrs ice mining per day mark.
The previous psycnological threshold was at 1hr, which was required inorder to PLEX, has already been exceeded.

Im uncertain of how the ore/ice compression changes will affect material prices, and hence ISBoxer miner profits, but I would expect that it will reduce them, as compression agents take their profits as new middlemen in the chain.

Furthermore, the null sec refining bonus may suppress High sec market ore/ice prices, if, hopefully, null seccers take advantage of the bonus and move their mining accounts which currently operate in highsec, back to their domestic null markets.

Evidence?

I agree