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N3 Video of Exploit to Gank CFC Titan

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2014-04-15 02:50:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit


If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all.


If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue.


Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted).

Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC.

Its not only possible, its actually the most probable.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#242 - 2014-04-15 02:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Generic5Guy wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:



Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.


That is what they did this time.


No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/POS_bowling

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#243 - 2014-04-15 02:51:04 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:

Baltec, if the video in question showed someone pos bowling no one would question that an exploit happened, the titan need to be replaced, and the people responsible banned.

As it stands, the provided video supports one of two conclusions:
1) The titan was bumped just inside the POS shield - Exploit.
2) The titan was bumped just outside the POS shield - Not Exploit.

You claim that the titan must have been inside the POS for ~reasons~ but provide no supporting evidence of that. Maybe after whatever op Vee went afk and drifted out of the POS. Stranger stuff has happened.


Again, if he was outside the pos why would they cyno right on top of him to bump him through the pos rather than cyno in at range and just DD him?

No idea. But that doesn't exclude the possibility. Motivation for an action, or lack thereof is not evidence as such.


The fact that it is moronic to do kinda does rule it out.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#244 - 2014-04-15 02:53:58 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Generic5Guy wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:



Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.


That is what they did this time.


No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago.


When you cyno in a titan at near zero on a pos shields it will stick in several thousand km before bouncing away. A bridge titan sits 1-2km from the edge. Its going to get bumped.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#245 - 2014-04-15 02:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Generic5Guy wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:



Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.


That is what they did this time.


No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago.


When you cyno in a titan at near zero on a pos shields it will stick in several thousand km before bouncing away. A bridge titan sits 1-2km from the edge. Its going to get bumped.


This is absolutely not true, stop telling stories to an actual titan owner.

Even when you own the tower, like its your actual corp tower, its hard to get it to plop you in the tower, its sheer luck every time, however if you're not in the alliance, there is literally ZERO chance of it happening and you absolutely 100% can't penetrate the shields -even on jump in- if you're not equipped with the password


EDIT: The fact that you're trying to tell me how titans work is astounding in of itself but to tell it completely wrong is shocking.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#246 - 2014-04-15 03:00:04 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit


If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all.


If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue.


Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted).

Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC.

Its not only possible, its actually the most probable.


Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#247 - 2014-04-15 03:04:46 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Generic5Guy wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:



Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.


That is what they did this time.


No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago.


When you cyno in a titan at near zero on a pos shields it will stick in several thousand km before bouncing away. A bridge titan sits 1-2km from the edge. Its going to get bumped.


This is absolutely not true, stop telling stories to an actual titan owner.

Even when you own the tower, like its your actual corp tower, its hard to get it to plop you in the tower, its sheer luck every time, however if you're not in the alliance, there is literally ZERO chance of it happening and you absolutely 100% can't penetrate the shields -even on jump in- if you're not equipped with the password


EDIT: The fact that you're trying to tell me how titans work is astounding in of itself but to tell it completely wrong is shocking.


Given that you said the exact same thing about drones before CCP came out and showed you to be wrong I'll take that with a grain of salt.

The titan got bumped by other titans while sitting in a pos, seems N3 have figured out something both of us thought impossible.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#248 - 2014-04-15 03:05:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit


If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all.


If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue.


Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted).

Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC.

Its not only possible, its actually the most probable.


Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy.



Dude, they bounced away from the tower because thats the ONLY direction they could go, they CAN"T go through it, they have to go away.

And how do you know one of those handful of EG dudes aren't dirty?


Stating flatly in this case 'its not a spy' has a fairly huge potential to make you look silly, I mean holy **** man, Vee can die just like everybody else in game for being lazy and doing dumb stuff with spies around.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#249 - 2014-04-15 03:07:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


The titan got bumped by other titans while sitting in a pos, seems N3 have figured out something both of us thought impossible.


Yea, did CCP give the titan back?

Whats that, no they didnt?

Interesting, seems like you might be wrong here junior.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#250 - 2014-04-15 03:10:49 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit


If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all.


If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue.


Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted).

Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC.

Its not only possible, its actually the most probable.


Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy.



Dude, they bounced away from the tower because thats the ONLY direction they could go, they CAN"T go through it, they have to go away.

And how do you know one of those handful of EG dudes aren't dirty?


Stating flatly in this case 'its not a spy' has a fairly huge potential to make you look silly, I mean holy **** man, Vee can die just like everybody else in game for being lazy and doing dumb stuff with spies around.


that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#251 - 2014-04-15 03:12:24 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


The titan got bumped by other titans while sitting in a pos, seems N3 have figured out something both of us thought impossible.


Yea, did CCP give the titan back?

Whats that, no they didnt?

Interesting, seems like you might be wrong here junior.


What makes you think the ticket has been processed yet?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#252 - 2014-04-15 03:15:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order?


Knowing it was Vee's? Maybe, maybe not but it wasn't my spies working there, everybody handles their spy network differently, yours is used to disband and rob people, ours is used for information gathering only and hardly ever direct damage, NCdot handles theirs differently than either of us, who's to say.



baltec1 wrote:


What makes you think the ticket has been processed yet?


Because I've been here for a few years and know how the process works?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#253 - 2014-04-15 03:30:34 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order?


Knowing it was Vee's? Maybe, maybe not but it wasn't my spies working there, everybody handles their spy network differently, yours is used to disband and rob people, ours is used for information gathering only and hardly ever direct damage, NCdot handles theirs differently than either of us, who's to say.



baltec1 wrote:


What makes you think the ticket has been processed yet?


Because I've been here for a few years and know how the process works?


If it has been answered then a new one has likely gone in thanks to this new evidence. Before all we knew was that a titan vee though was in a pos somehow died. Now we know it was bumped.

as for the spy, I wouldnt expect N3 to burn a high level EG spy. We sure as hell wouldnt.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2014-04-15 03:48:31 UTC
People telling PL how titans 'work'.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Rabid Disconnection
Prism's Keepers
#255 - 2014-04-15 04:33:53 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.

If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. .


This post shows you have absolutely zero knowledge of what POS bowling was.

Let me give you a tiny hint here:


You can't POS bowl anymore because they changed the way the POS shields work, everything else has been and is legal.


LOL, we both know that is BS. You can still light on a POS and bump a ship inside out... Ive accidently done it recently.
Travis Musgrat
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#256 - 2014-04-15 04:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Travis Musgrat
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit


If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all.


If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue.


Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted).

Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC.

Its not only possible, its actually the most probable.


Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy.



Dude, they bounced away from the tower because thats the ONLY direction they could go, they CAN"T go through it, they have to go away.

And how do you know one of those handful of EG dudes aren't dirty?


Stating flatly in this case 'its not a spy' has a fairly huge potential to make you look silly, I mean holy **** man, Vee can die just like everybody else in game for being lazy and doing dumb stuff with spies around.


that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order?

yes it was
Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#257 - 2014-04-15 05:10:36 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Bee tears are filled with honey, please continue....


Can I like this post x 10?
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#258 - 2014-04-15 05:16:07 UTC
goon tears are the best ones.. so sweet :)

only good goon is a dead one..

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#259 - 2014-04-15 05:16:49 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
People telling PL how titans 'work'.

Grath Telkin telling people who know how titans work how titans work.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#260 - 2014-04-15 05:17:27 UTC
Travis Musgrat wrote:

yes it was

Or was it....
Or are you just playing mind games to make them suspect their own directors....
Or are you playing mind games to make them think you are playing mind games to make them suspect their own directors in order to protect your spy...

We must go deeper!