Player Features and Ideas Discussion

PvP simply means player vs player. At no point does it state anything about the circumstances of the interaction. It's simply one player against another. Sorry you don't like it and it doesn't work with your argument, but that's what it is.



This guy gets it

Gotta watch out for those piloted GSCs! I really hope you are trolling and that you aren't so dense lol

A) This is the same for all ships. Cloaks should not be exempt. Those that rely on speed instead of stealth have the same problem. The true problem here is your choice of target, stop hunting people that rely on evasion and you will have an easier time catching them.

B)You cannot hide in a POS with perfect safety. Awox happens. Cloaks are actually safer than in a POS.

C)Stations are designed intentionally as the only place your ship should be completely safe, and in Null sec the station can change hands and thus effectively lose you access to your property by being unable to move it out.

D) For local to be an effective tool of evasion, you must defend your space. High Sec is what happens when you do not secure space but only punish those proven to be hostile, and ganks happen all the time despite a 100% effective kill ratio by CONCORD.

Local does not need cloaks to balance it, it is balanced on it's own by being a tool that demands an attentive, active player to use and the efforts of many to remain viable. By contrast cloaks demand almost no tradeoffs for complete immunity to non-consensual action of any kind.

Any ship in space is a target... except for cloaked ships. The entire idea of cloaking breaks down on this singular point. They are completely and utterly safe once cloaked.

The point about the POS is that unlike cloaks, they are in fact not totally secure. True, you have bigger problems, but these things happen. It is in fact another example how local itself is not completely safe---using it relies on the goodwill of your allies. Stuff happens. Local enables a choice, nothing more. It is the active responsibility of the pilot in space to make and act upon any decisions he deems necessary.

The point on stations is that they are supposed to be safe. The post I quoted claimed this was a problem that needed correcting, apparently by being able to be just as safe in enemy space with a cloak active.

Space does need to be defended for local to be useful. That defense happens over time, *before* your fleet got there. If you let your space be flooded with neutrals you will have exactly the same situation as highsec, where ganks are common even with a 100% effective punishment force. I am sorry you don't like being evaded, perhaps you should stop trying to pick fights with Mackinaw's? You are costing them ISK every second they stay docked due to your presence---I am sure someone more bored than me can figure out how long you need to stay before you have cost the owners of the space the equivalent of a ship.

Only those ships designed as Cov-ops have inherent drawbacks on tank and dps-- and they get better cloaks. Any ship can fit a cloak, and just about all of them have the resources to do so without harming their viability overly much, and they all have the cap to run them indefinitely without compromise. Cloaks are trivial to use, completely effective for indefinite time periods, and almost totally passive. There is no compare to the effort of using a cloak to disrupt activity in a system and the effort required to keep local clear enough to where it can be used to effectively evade enemy ships.

Local isn't difficult to use once you have space clear because it isn't supposed to be. The intel it provides about the presence or absence of another pilot is as fundamental to the mechanics of K-space as is the ability to orbit. You want to discount the efforts that go into keeping space clear enough to use local, but you can't do that any more than you can disregard Null Sec supply runs to Jita to keep stuff staged where it's needed. Alliance efforts maintaining that space in a usable condition is something that pilots should be able to take advantage of.

Unhuntable cloaks are broken. Every ship in open space should be huntable at all times, requiring an active and attentive pilot to make the decisions that keep that ship unexploded. Activating a module and leaving it on isn't active. Watcing local and warping if you don't like what's coming is.

Boring! Make it entertaining...

Ships cloaked longer than five minutes display a cloak icon next to the name in local.

Clients AFK longer than [insert arbitrary number] minutes show an AFK icon next to the name in local. Any input whatsoever, even if not in the EVE client, should disrupt the AFK timer.

AFK cloakers become as harmless as people claim them to be.

There have been and are several proposals made on similar modules/mechanics. They can be found here, or with slightly different search criteria, here.

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