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N3 Video of Exploit to Gank CFC Titan

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#181 - 2014-04-15 00:49:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit?


Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence


Define "inside the safety of the shields" please? Does it have to be FULLY inside? What if part of it is sticking out? Show me where in the exploit notice this is clarified please.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#182 - 2014-04-15 00:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts. used by us.


Yeah, but that does not really have anything to do with having any irrefutable evidence to back up the OP today does it?



Aside from the fact that we can see where the titans hit.


Except you can't, what you have offered up as evidence is to extrapolate data to reinforce what you believe happened. And, yes, with just that video to go on it looks bad.

Good thing CCP has actual data they can use to get to the bottom of this.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Avon
#183 - 2014-04-15 00:50:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?


The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#184 - 2014-04-15 00:51:48 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
The Slayer wrote:
Can we agree on four points here :

1/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY INSIDE a pos shield without a password IS an exploit

2/ Bumping a titan that is PARTIALLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e untargetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit

3/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e targetable IS NOT an exploit

4/ This video does not clearly show WHICH of these situations was true, in this case.

Fixed for completeness, and yes the video does not show in anyway what happened before the video began. Lol
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#185 - 2014-04-15 00:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.


I'm trying really hard to find a downside to that if the 2km is measured from the outside edge.





Considering the cyno is clearly way more than 2km from the edge of the shield ...


So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?


Jovians?

Drunkeness?

Flatulence?

It was sticking out of the POS shield?

No one knows for sure but CCP and the parties who were involved.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#186 - 2014-04-15 00:52:27 UTC
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit?


Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence


Would you be so kind as to get a screengrab from the vid that shows when that happened?


How about you as N3?

meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#187 - 2014-04-15 00:54:35 UTC
Or of course, the edit was to protect the identity of the alt that was claimed to be used who was still warping off grid at the start of the video.

Just to present an alternate reason for the video edit.

On the goon whine, Baltec, I suggest you go and actually look up the meanings of some of the words you are using, I do not think they mean what you think.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#188 - 2014-04-15 00:55:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit?


Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence


Would you be so kind as to get a screengrab from the vid that shows when that happened?


How about you as N3?

meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.


All we can see is that it occured on the edge of the shields, not on which side, not whether the titan was partially exposed or not.

Man I think you are the best Baltec you know this but you seriously sound like a 9/11 truther here. THE MISSILE POD IS RIGHT THERE ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PLANE WHY CAN'T YOU ALL SEE IT!
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#189 - 2014-04-15 00:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
baltec1 wrote:


meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.

Or just get CCP to check the logged physical data by filing a petition. But your way is nice too I suppose...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#190 - 2014-04-15 00:57:25 UTC
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?


The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.


So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?

you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#191 - 2014-04-15 01:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?


The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.


So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?

you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+?

I emphasized the important part which indicates that none of us actually know for a fact exactly what occurred. If only there was some kind of record, a form of data used to store information about past events that occur on the server...
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#192 - 2014-04-15 01:00:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?


The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.


So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?

you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+?


It does not matter which was more likely, what matters is what actually happened, and only CCP and the parties involved know that.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Rabid Disconnection
Prism's Keepers
#193 - 2014-04-15 01:01:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?


LOL I agree with you, but I think you should spend more time addressing The Slayers concerns...

The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.


I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.


Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.


Leaving with what I came looking for.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#194 - 2014-04-15 01:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?


The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.

Then why bump it at all? Why not just lock it up and DD it like they did in the end?

There isn't anywhere near enough evidence in that video to say whether it was originally one way or the other. The evidence that is available though shows that it was definitely bumped and that it was bumped into and through the shield.

Not conclusive, but it does raise a valid question about how it actually occurred.

If it was partially outside the shield and they wanted to bump it back into the shield and through the other side, no problem. Strange tactic, but that's EvE sometimes.

If it was inside the shield and close to the edge and the bump occurred and CCP have already ruled it as OK, that's good clarification for anyone else that wants to use the same approach.

If it was inside the shield and bumped and CCP eventually rule it was use of an exploit, then as usual with reimbursement requests, isn't there a way for CCP to speed up their customer service? Sometimes it's pretty poor.
Avon
#195 - 2014-04-15 01:03:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


How about you as N3?



lol, desperate much?

I haven't had any affiliation with 0.0 powerblocs in a long, long time.

Mostly because of the idiocy I see in threads like this.


What doesn't the video show?
The alleged exploit.

What does the video show?
The location of the cyno.


The location of the cyno does not seem to fit in with the story we are meant to buy into here ... even if we draw all the pretty lines you want.


Your supposition requires an interpretation of what we can't see which does not seem to fit what we can see.


Conclusion.
Video is evidence that no exploit took place.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#196 - 2014-04-15 01:10:37 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
If it was inside the shield and bumped and CCP eventually rule it was use of an exploit, then as usual with reimbursement requests, isn't there a way for CCP to speed up their customer service. Sometimes it's pretty poor.


Spitballing numbers here but there are what, 500k subscribers? if half of a percent of them file a reimbursement request once a week (not very unlikely) thats 2500 petitions asking for reimbursement ALONE, on top of the however many thousand others they receive. I don't imagine reimbursement requests are a 2 minute job for GMs either.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#197 - 2014-04-15 01:11:17 UTC
Avon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


How about you as N3?



lol, desperate much?

I haven't had any affiliation with 0.0 powerblocs in a long, long time.

Mostly because of the idiocy I see in threads like this.


What doesn't the video show?
The alleged exploit.

What does the video show?
The location of the cyno.


The location of the cyno does not seem to fit in with the story we are meant to buy into here ... even if we draw all the pretty lines you want.


Your supposition requires an interpretation of what we can't see which does not seem to fit what we can see.


Conclusion.
Video is evidence that no exploit took place.



So tell us all how titans with a top speed of less than 100m/s bumped eachother to 1000-2000m/s if they wernt cynoed on top of eachother. Then tell us why they bumped vees titan through the pos before they used their DD rather than use them right away.
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#198 - 2014-04-15 01:12:26 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Except you can't, what you have offered up as evidence is to extrapolate data to reinforce what you believe happened. And, yes, with just that video to go on it looks bad.

Good thing CCP has actual data they can use to get to the bottom of this.


When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, pound the table.

Keep pounding Goontards, keep pounding....
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#199 - 2014-04-15 01:13:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So tell us all how titans with a top speed of less than 100m/s bumped eachother to 1000-2000m/s if they wernt cynoed on top of eachother. Then tell us why they bumped vees titan through the pos before they used their DD rather than use them right away.


If the titan was not fully inside the pos shield when they cynoed in they would have bumped the part of the titan that was outside the shield. This would have caused the effect seen in the video. Or :aliens:
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#200 - 2014-04-15 01:16:47 UTC
Rainbow Dash wrote:
I think there's a reason they conveniently edited out the beginning of the video where they cyno'd in.


Yeah, does seem rather suspicious that it was cleverly edited...and clearly that was a bump because he is hitting over 1000 km/s and then is decelerating as he heads toward the edge of the field. I'd say CCP needs to take a serious look at this because someone used an exploit.