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N3 Video of Exploit to Gank CFC Titan

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#121 - 2014-04-14 23:07:03 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Just to play Devils advocate here : nowhere in that video does it show that Vees titan was inside the pos when they bumped it.


If it wasnt in the pos they would have simply used their DD. You never bump a titan towards a POS if it is outside.


Maybe they bumped it by accident :) Nothing in this video proves otherwise.


Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#122 - 2014-04-14 23:08:55 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
i like how you, the npc alt n3 cheerleader, conveniently ignore when your team got its **** pushed in in B-R

that must have really made you upset heh


Little do you know mittens paid for that victory to buy some moral.


Goons have no morals. Perhaps you meant morale?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#123 - 2014-04-14 23:10:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#124 - 2014-04-14 23:14:26 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#125 - 2014-04-14 23:14:50 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#126 - 2014-04-14 23:19:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.


We don't ignore it, we just don't care. Null sec is 2 entities, which in reality is probably only 1, and you're all a bunch of but lickers.

Yes the other but
Tesco Ergo Sum
#127 - 2014-04-14 23:19:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof...

Regardless of who is involved.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#128 - 2014-04-14 23:19:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.

So somewhere in that general direction *waves hand at left side of screen*. Very nice and exact, or "simple" as you put it.

I'm not ignoring an exploit, I simply don't see it. Maybe its a simple thing for you to pinpoint the exact position of every single ship in that video at every single sever tick before the footage began.

Regrettably, I have no such ability. All I see is an orange titan moving in some vague direction toward the right of the screen.
Dabigredboat
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#129 - 2014-04-14 23:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dabigredboat
I can tell you from both experience bumping and being bumped in a titan, there is no subcapital ship in the game that can get a titan bumped to over 400m/s. To bump vee's titan out the other side of the pos, they would have had to constantly be bumping him over a period of 20 to 30 km and that is a MINIMUM to get him out.

From the video you can see that no subcapitals are present outside of the cyno ship in and the titans to dd the avatar. Hell even the fc himself was not on field to do anything.

This was called an exploit because of Pandemic legion using it to kill a titan before and then followed by an attempt on a solar titan shortly after. That titan survived, frapsed it, and ccp declared it an exploit shortly after.


This video has been posted almost 3 weeks but was just set PUBLIC last night, this is why the thread is up, NC.dot has been trying to declare based on a Screen shot that the titans jumped in at ranges of 100km plus, not RIGHT ON THE TOWER. And that they used subcapitals with a pos password to catch the titan.

If they had the password, they would have had some titans go the same direction as the vee avatar, not all titans bounce away from the shields in a cone.

The only reason this will be an exploit (it was petitioned minutes after the death of the titan by many people) is because ccp can now PROVE if a pilot had a pos password in or not, how (if anyone) entered the pos, and the location of the avatar before it was killed and after it was killed. CCP used to not be able to check this information but due to many, many exploited related to pos mechanics over the years, they have finally started checking this.

Also, I wanted to do this myself on a hostile titan in the north, at the end of the day a ccp person that was contacted warned me that if I had bumped the titan without using a pos password, he would have got the titan replaced and I would have had my accounts suspended or banned.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#130 - 2014-04-14 23:24:25 UTC
Dabigredboat wrote:
NC.dot has been trying to declare based on a Screen shot that the titans jumped in at ranges of 100km plus

So NC. is full of **** and lies up the ass. That shouldn't surprise anyone, nor does it prove that an exploit happened.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#131 - 2014-04-14 23:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.


What I am seeing is someone making a thread in GD claiming an "exploit" in the thread title to stir things up and then the OP backpedals by later saying:

Generic5Guy wrote:
Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves.


It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:

The video may in fact show the *result* of POS bowling, it does not however show the exploit being initiated. Assuming that it was the exploit at issue, it would have happened at a time prior to the video you are showing as evidence. Also if true, CCP will have evidence to back that up.

This is up to CCP to decide, and if they already have and you guys just don't like the answer, I can certainly sympathize, but you are gonna have to show me something a LOT more convincing before I start sharpening pitchforks and calling for blood. I am otherwise 100% in agreement, IF thiscan be proven to be an exploit, punitive and corrective actions should be handed out.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#132 - 2014-04-14 23:39:54 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.

So somewhere in that general direction *waves hand at left side of screen*. Very nice and exact, or "simple" as you put it.

I'm not ignoring an exploit, I simply don't see it. Maybe its a simple thing for you to pinpoint the exact position of every single ship in that video at every single sever tick before the footage began.

Regrettably, I have no such ability. All I see is an orange titan moving in some vague direction toward the right of the screen.


You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.

It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2014-04-14 23:43:14 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.


You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.


What I am seeing is someone making a thread in GD claiming an "exploit" in the thread title to stir things up and then the OP backpedals by later saying:

Generic5Guy wrote:
Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves.


It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:

The video may in fact show the *result* of POS bowling, it does not however show the exploit being initiated. Assuming that it was the exploit at issue, it would have happened at a time prior to the video you are showing as evidence. Also if true, CCP will have evidence to back that up.

This is up to CCP to decide, and if they already have and you guys just don't like the answer, I can certainly sympathize, but you are gonna have to show me something a LOT more convincing before I start sharpening pitchforks and calling for blood. I am otherwise 100% in agreement, IF this is in fact an exploit, punitive and corrective actions should be handed out.


You can track the titans back to where the bump happened based on their movement. Point of impact is on the edge of the POS shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#134 - 2014-04-14 23:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
baltec1 wrote:

You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.

It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were.

You're saying: This footage is the result of POS Bowling.
I'm saying: There's no POS Bowling in that footage.

I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that you are right. You could be correct.
But there is no actual footage of POS Bowling. Which means theirs no evidence of POS Bowling. Extrapolation? Sure. But extrapolation isn't proof.
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Doomheim
#135 - 2014-04-14 23:49:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Did you see they lit the cyno unnecessarily close to control tower 2? That's a bannable offense. The only possible explanation is that we're dealing with an inside job here. Did you know Vee took out platinum insurance on that titan moments before it died? coincidence? You be the judge.

One reputable EVE news website accidentally posted a video of the POS bowling attack before it officially happened (check the timestamps). The footage was quickly censored to remove the first 15 seconds... what are they trying to hide? I'm the only voice of reason left here. N3 are just exploiters funding their RMT empire, so why would NCDot kill Vee's titan? They want to cover up the truth that B-R never happened, it was staged by The Mittani with the help of CCP and the NSA to enforce the BLUE DOUGHNUT. It's just like the time when DBRB caused a NODE CRASH with his DOMINIX FLEET to save an NCDOT Erebus. Wake up sheeple, It's all laid out in BOTLRD.

baltec1 wrote:
You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.

-- this thread 2014
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#136 - 2014-04-14 23:51:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

You can track the titans back to where the bump happened based on their movement. Point of impact is on the edge of the POS shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.


Sure, but where is the video showing the collision between the ball and the pins? All I can see is what happened after that might have occurred. CCP can clear this up because they can recreate what happened from logged physical data, all we can do from the video we have is extrapolate.


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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#137 - 2014-04-14 23:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.

It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were.

You're saying: This footage is the result of POS Bowling.
I'm saying: There's no POS Bowling in that footage.

I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that you are right. You could be correct.
But there is no actual footage of POS Bowling. Which means theirs no evidence of POS Bowling. Extrapolation? Sure. But extrapolation isn't proof.


Titans do not go 1000m/s+

we can track the titans back to the point where they bumped which is on the edge of the POS sheild.

We can work out how far the titans have moved based on the time and speed of the ships

How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video. They even provided the ship speeds. But for some reason you want to ignore all of this evidence and simply state that because we dont see the bump that it never happened.
Generic5Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2014-04-14 23:55:20 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=PotatoOverdose][quote=baltec1]


It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:


The video was made PUBLICLY viewable in the last day. None of us had seen it either. They had it private for the last 3 weeks and nobody knew the video was out there. How hard is that to understand?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#139 - 2014-04-14 23:55:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We have literally caught them in the act in a video.


Well, first you need to actually catch them in the act on video.




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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#140 - 2014-04-14 23:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Generic5Guy wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:



It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:


The video was made PUBLICLY viewable in the last day. None of us had seen it either. They had it private for the last 3 weeks and nobody knew the video was out there. How hard is that to understand?


This was petitioned immediately after it happened right? 3+ weeks ago? That's the important part. If not, or you don't know, you are breaking at least 2 forum rules by posting this.

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