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Is EVE's current business model sustainable?

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Tesco Ergo Sum
#61 - 2014-04-14 20:06:00 UTC
Well we've had confirmation that part of the business model isn't sustainable.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-04-14 20:34:19 UTC
PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:
I don't think it's very sustainable.

If you think CCP makes close to the kinds of profits other MMOs make you are mistaken. Their subscription numbers that actually pay are far less than their real subscription numbers.

For the longest time I had 18 active accounts "subscribed". I was PLEXing all of them manually none the less.

With how easy it's become to make ISK, I don't think the business model is sustainable in the long run. They should be charging a base subscription fee IMO; if you can make enough ISK you can then PLEX secondary, etc. accounts


If only we knew where those PLEX come from...
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#63 - 2014-04-14 21:18:31 UTC
I love it when people who have ZERO access to business numbers and logic try to extrapolate how much life is left in said business model.

You are right that you can't predict the next ten years to absolution based on the past 10 years, but its a pretty damn good place to start.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#64 - 2014-04-14 21:20:39 UTC
It would seem at least the WOD biz model and/or the Atlanta office was not sustainable.







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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#65 - 2014-04-14 21:37:30 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Your thread is worse than mine.

While my ugly face is a fact, your post is full of stupid assumptions and guesses.


DO YOU SEE THIS FACE?

DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S JOKING??


WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING???????



*runs away crying* D:


You have a beautiful face.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#66 - 2014-04-14 21:40:27 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
It would seem at least the WOD biz model and/or the Atlanta office was not sustainable.









That's 21m usd wiped of the asset books. Star citizens has raised nearly twice that, almost a years ccp earnings.

vampires have peaked sci fi is forever,

eve is in great shape and will be here forever unless the unthinkable happens and they sell out to ea games.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Sgt Smeagol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-04-14 22:35:26 UTC
ok new rumor
the wod engine is the new eve engine.
Winchester Steele
#68 - 2014-04-14 23:09:39 UTC
Sgt Smeagol wrote:
ok new rumor
the wod engine is the new eve engine.



The little engine that couldn't.

...

Hevymetal
POT Corp
#69 - 2014-04-14 23:19:20 UTC
As long as they can keep suckers like me shelling out RL cash every month for me and my alts to play this damn game, then YES.

Keep the overhead finite and in control and keep the $1000 a pair jeans to a minimum and there should be no problem.
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2014-04-15 03:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Markku Laaksonen
We've been hoodwinked. This was a "WoD is dying" thread all along.

EDIT: To convey my tone... Sad

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#71 - 2014-04-15 04:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
No this business model is quite sustainable. The reason why alot of mmo's have shifted to the F2P model is because... well they sucked.

Your game has to not suck to warrant the subscription model. I.E. your players have no issues forking out money because they enjoy your game. Its when a game blows that they go to F2P, the thinking is that they will either nickle and dime you to profitability, or there are a few crazy people with American express black cards that will dump hundreds a month on the game.

If you look at the games that went F2P, besides the originator (guild wars) you will see a pattern. STO, SW:TOR, Conan, all were sub games... that did not get the numbers, so they went F2P. Sure you cna play for free but if you want the cool stuff, you gotta pay for it,

I feel that CCP made a mistake in closing WoD. They have all there eggs in one basket, and that is what is not sustainable.

EvE can very easily become EvE 2 with some dedicated side work, hell the 'expansions' we are getting could easily be laying the ground work for eve 2. Its what i would of done, esp with killing WoD.

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Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2014-04-15 10:36:33 UTC
CCP has a lot of cash - they love to alienate their playerbase. Such decisions mean they are doing well financially.

(Damn - I want to play DUST on PC! I will not buy a console for the only console game I'd actually care to play!)

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Solecist Project
#73 - 2014-04-15 11:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Your thread is worse than mine.

While my ugly face is a fact, your post is full of stupid assumptions and guesses.


DO YOU SEE THIS FACE?

DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S JOKING??


WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING???????



*runs away crying* D:


You have a beautiful face.

<3 <3 <3

Thank you ! :D

What can I do for you? :D

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Merida DunBrogh
Black Screen Of Raging Defeat
#74 - 2014-04-15 11:10:51 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Eve Online. Dying since 2003™




Quote from "EVE The second decade CE book":
Prediction from 2003:
Elan Dochin:"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#75 - 2014-04-15 12:40:57 UTC

Oh look, another new and imaginative thread about how Eve should start all over with a new codebase because of reasons.

Anti-reasons:
- A new codebase will itself be old within a few years and need rewritten again by this logic.

- Large fleet fights will hit the technical barrier no matter where that barrier lies. The answer is in adjusting game mechanics.

- Lots of business model talk is a poor substitute for technical reasoning.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-04-15 14:54:28 UTC
Go to CCP's website.

Download their publicly available financials.

Notice that they're making lots of money and afaik it's most if not all from EVE.

Business model works fine!

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#77 - 2014-04-15 14:57:46 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Go to CCP's website.

Download their publicly available financials.

Notice that they're making lots of money and afaik it's most if not all from EVE.

Business model works fine!

Their likely the only large company in the industry that isn't sweating bullets right now.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#78 - 2014-04-15 16:46:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
10 years of growth says yes.



Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you....

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-04-15 17:32:30 UTC
"Is EVE's current business model sustainable?"

lol, that's none of your business.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#80 - 2014-04-15 17:46:46 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
10 years of growth says yes.



Online numbers hitting a low not seen since 2011 has questions for you....


Dunno what it's like where you are but I've been revelling in being able to go out wearing no more than 2 layers of clothing recently.

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