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N3 Video of Exploit to Gank CFC Titan

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2014-04-14 21:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tippia wrote:

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So, we know for a fact then that an exploit was used, rather than say a part of a fat-ass titan was sticking out of the shield?
If it was just sticking out, they should have — and could have — killed it. For some odd reason, they didn't, most likely because they couldn't. If it wasn't already killable, then it was indeed an exploit.

That's a plausible supposition, but that's all it is: a supposition.

No Evidence to confirm it whatsoever. If the video in question showed that an exploit was used, well then all of the goonposters in this thread would have a very valid point. But the video doesn't show that, does it?

Also, if a Part of a titan is sticking out of a shield, and I bump the part that's sticking out, is that an exploit? I'm actually curious about this as I don't know the answer.


The only way to smack a titan out of a POS if a tiny bit is near the POS sheilds is to cyno in a bunch of very high mass ships (other titans) onto that point. The titans are so large that they will cyno into the pos (and inside the targdt titan) which will bump the titansin opposite directions. The target titan will fly out of the pos and then can be targeted by DD. It is impossible to stop a bumped titan when its moving at 1000+km/s which is what Vee's titan was doing. It is also impossible for a titan to reach these speeds unless it gets cyno bumped by another titan.

This was deemed an exploit by CCP.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-04-14 21:27:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


The only way to smack a titan out of a POS if a tiny bit is near the POS sheilds is to cyno in a bunch of very high mass ships (other titans) onto that point. The titans are so large that they will cyno into the pos (and inside the targdt titan) which will bump the titansin opposite directions. The target titan will fly out of the pos and then can be targeted by DD. It is impossible to stop a bumped titan when its moving at 1000+km/s which is what Vee's titan was doing. It is also impossible for a titan to reach these speeds unless it gets cyno bumped by another titan.

This was deemed an exploit by CCP.

As I mention here, the bump could have happened before the titan became untargettable, at which point (as you say) it would be impossible to stop and it would coast all the way through the pos shield (as it did).

The problem is the video doesn't show the critical part of the action which would constitute an exploit. An exploit might have happened, then again it might not have happened.

Reimbursing for a might have been is not a good idea (IMO).
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#83 - 2014-04-14 21:27:49 UTC
Goons starting a thread against cheating is like Christians starting a thread against Jesus Christ.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#84 - 2014-04-14 21:28:37 UTC
I would also like to point out that Vees titan was inside the sheild, sitting at 1000-2000km from the edge waiting to bridge a fleet of phoons.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2014-04-14 21:29:43 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


The only way to smack a titan out of a POS if a tiny bit is near the POS sheilds is to cyno in a bunch of very high mass ships (other titans) onto that point. The titans are so large that they will cyno into the pos (and inside the targdt titan) which will bump the titansin opposite directions. The target titan will fly out of the pos and then can be targeted by DD. It is impossible to stop a bumped titan when its moving at 1000+km/s which is what Vee's titan was doing. It is also impossible for a titan to reach these speeds unless it gets cyno bumped by another titan.

This was deemed an exploit by CCP.

As I mention here, the bump could have happened before the titan became untargettable, at which point (as you say) it would be impossible to stop and it would coast all the way through the pos shield (as it did).

The problem is the video doesn't show the critical part of the action which would constitute an exploit. An exploit might have happened, then again it might not have happened.

Reimbursing for a might have been is not a good idea (IMO).


The titan never left the POS. It was an EG bridging titan.
iskflakes
#86 - 2014-04-14 21:33:30 UTC
All you goons are hilarious, especially those of you who claim Vee was inside the shield but present no evidence. I guess Vee told you himself right? Even though he was AFK at the time?

CCP claim they log bumps on ships which are inside the shield, so if this really was an exploit then they will have evidence. Seeing as nobody has been banned and it's been weeks, the odds are pretty good it's not an exploit.

You know, this whole issue could have been avoided if titans were more reasonably sized in the first place. Reducing their size by a factor of 4 would probably be the best buff CCP could ever give them.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2014-04-14 21:33:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Varesk wrote:
You cant see anything in that video that would remotely be called an exploit.
…aside from an otherwise impossible velocity on a ship that can only ever really be achieved through warp- or cyno-bumping, and which just so happens to coincide with a very well-known exploit to reach through POS shields.

There really isn't anything else that needs to be said.

Except that the person recording is awful and missed a titan kill because he decided to wait until the FC told him to fire before he even started to lock the target.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#88 - 2014-04-14 21:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
iskflakes wrote:
You know, this whole issue could have been avoided if titans were more reasonably sized in the first place. Reducing their size by a factor of 4 would probably be the best buff CCP could ever give them.

Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things. Twisted
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2014-04-14 21:38:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
You know, this whole issue could have been avoided if titans were more reasonably sized in the first place. Reducing their size by a factor of 4 would probably be the best buff CCP could ever give them.

Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things. Twisted


I like this idea.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-04-14 21:45:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
You know, this whole issue could have been avoided if titans were more reasonably sized in the first place. Reducing their size by a factor of 4 would probably be the best buff CCP could ever give them.

Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things. Twisted

I like this idea. +1
i-AA
Cream Pie Carpet Munchers
#91 - 2014-04-14 21:47:53 UTC
Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:

They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.


Its an exploit. And it was used.
iskflakes
#92 - 2014-04-14 21:49:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things. Twisted


Or even better -- stay with me here -- CCP could implement some code, right, so that when you jumped to a cyno on a tower (still with me?), you spawn at least one ship radius away from the tower. AND -- get this -- all the things would spawn in DIFFERENT places, rather than all inside each other.

I know, I know. This idea is so mindbogglingly complicated that it would take the best minds at CCP several hours to implement. If this kind of change had been made back in prehistory when POS bowling was first declared an exploit, we would not have to be reading this thread of goon tears right now (though I guess that's a bad thing if you like goon tears, so thanks CCP).

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#93 - 2014-04-14 21:51:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
iskflakes wrote:
Or even better -- stay with me here -- CCP could implement some code, right, so that when you jumped to a cyno on a tower (still with me?), you spawn at least one ship radius away from the tower. AND -- get this -- all the things would spawn in DIFFERENT places, rather than all inside each other.

I know, I know. This idea is so mindbogglingly complicated that it would take the best minds at CCP several hours to implement.

Nonono. That's not a problem. The large downside with your idea is that it doesn't enforce enlightened self-intrest through massive explosions. Learning through pain and suffering — it's the EVE way.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-04-14 21:55:44 UTC
i-AA wrote:
Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:

They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.


Its an exploit. And it was used.


Correct, except for the bit where an exploit was used. No evidence has been provided showing that the titan was in the POS at the time of the alleged bump.

Death to ALL supers. Twisted
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#95 - 2014-04-14 22:02:11 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tippia wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
You know, this whole issue could have been avoided if titans were more reasonably sized in the first place. Reducing their size by a factor of 4 would probably be the best buff CCP could ever give them.

Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things. Twisted

I like this idea. +1


Nah, make it better/
The POS, and anything inside it, are also obliterated.

I am sure ALL people in null would be thrilled with the idea of a suicide Titan taking out an entire fleet, plus POS.
Of course, the entire concept of 250 plus ships, all at least a kilometre in size, some much much larger than that, all clustering inside a POS field that is 30 or 50 km across, is plain stupid.

Either increase the diameter of the POS shields (which makes shooting the tower near impossible), or limit the number of ships inside a POS.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#96 - 2014-04-14 22:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
PotatoOverdose wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:

They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.


Its an exploit. And it was used.


Correct, except for the bit where an exploit was used. No evidence has been provided showing that the titan was in the POS at the time of the alleged bump.

Death to ALL supers. Twisted


Aside from the fact that we can see the titan flying out of the pos and that the point where all of the titans are flying from is the edge of the POS bubble. If the titan was outside of the sheild then not only would they have opened up with their DD but they also would not have opened the cyno at a point that would have bumped the ship TOWARDS the POS.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#97 - 2014-04-14 22:15:27 UTC
So, yeah, umm.... If that wasn't the exploit, how the **** is it going that fast?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-04-14 22:18:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:

They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.


Its an exploit. And it was used.


Correct, except for the bit where an exploit was used. No evidence has been provided showing that the titan was in the POS at the time of the alleged bump.

Death to ALL supers. Twisted


Aside from the fact that we can see the titan flying out of the pos and that the point where all of the titans are flying from is the edge of the POS bubble.

Yeah, except it just isn't that clear cut. If it was, the titan would have been replaced, temp bans handed out, and you and I wouldn't be having this discussion.

That being said, it's ultimately CCP's decision whether or not to hand out a frwe Titan.
iskflakes
#99 - 2014-04-14 22:19:56 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So, yeah, umm.... If that wasn't the exploit, how the **** is it going that fast?


You're right. Vee... must have been using dev hacks to go that fast. Wow.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#100 - 2014-04-14 22:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
PotatoOverdose wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
i-AA wrote:
Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:

They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.


Its an exploit. And it was used.


Correct, except for the bit where an exploit was used. No evidence has been provided showing that the titan was in the POS at the time of the alleged bump.

Death to ALL supers. Twisted


Aside from the fact that we can see the titan flying out of the pos and that the point where all of the titans are flying from is the edge of the POS bubble.

Yeah, except it just isn't that clear cut. If it was, the titan would have been replaced, temp bans handed out, and you and I wouldn't be having this discussion.

That being said, it's ultimately CCP's decision whether or not to hand out a frwe Titan.


This will not be the first time CCP have taken no action on people exploiting the game untill we kick up a fuss on the forums.

This is as clear cut as it gets.