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Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-01 12:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Madbuster73
So finally CCP decided to fix Faction Warfare.
They started of with changing the way how FW Complexes (known as plexes) spawn.
Plexes used to spawn right after DT, giving the Caldari a big advantage since Caldari have much more players online in that timezone then the gallente.

Since the Expansion plexes now spawn in all systems and Outposts will always respawn 30 minutes after completion.
This removes any timezone advantage and all players can now run plexes no matter what timezone your in.

Gallente Militia is very happy with this and started plexing like crazy and taking over Caldari systems as we speak.

However, Caldari Militia is not very happy with this, since they lost Timezone advantage, and I haven't seen them around doing any plexes since the expansion.

Did the Caldari Milita give up?
I hope so, giving us Gallente the opportunity to do something unheard: taking over ALL Caldari systems :D

Also there is more that need to be fixed, read this article about it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37680&find=unread
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#2 - 2011-12-01 13:05:24 UTC
Good luck, have fun.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#3 - 2011-12-01 13:07:53 UTC
If it doesnt give us fights then its not fixed. Unfortunately theres no way for CCP to make caldari form up. They need a leader, some fresh inspiration!

Oh hi Bad o/
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-01 13:44:02 UTC
Excellent! Gallente can occupy Caldari space for 6 months, get a nice medal and stroke their wangs ceaselessly and the Caldari can complain how it's completely different this time and the Gallente used an unfair mechanical advantage to gain a meaningless storyline victory, while the Gallente twirl their moustaches and say it's all legal.

It'll certainly be karmic justice.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#5 - 2011-12-01 13:47:49 UTC
well .. hmm wasnt that otherwise that gals had more players after downtime .... ah hell maybe it was few cycles ago.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#6 - 2011-12-01 14:13:00 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Excellent! Gallente can occupy Caldari space for 6 months, get a nice medal and stroke their wangs ceaselessly and the Caldari can complain how it's completely different this time and the Gallente used an unfair mechanical advantage to gain a meaningless storyline victory, while the Gallente twirl their moustaches and say it's all legal.

It'll certainly be karmic justice.


Maybe you should take systems 1st before you celebrate victory.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#7 - 2011-12-01 14:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
If it doesnt give us fights then its not fixed. Unfortunately theres no way for CCP to make caldari form up. They need a leader, some fresh inspiration!


Alas, it's been my observation that most leader types leading big fleets would hardly ever take a fleet into a single plex unless they get three of the following things (preferably first)

a) pvp
b) chocolate cake
c) blo.job

I honestly dont think you will get any plex fights from Caldari, even when you go and start flipping Enaluri (didnt seem to be much over Nennamaila either). It would simply require too much self-initiative and effort from people. That's the outcome of couple of years of "screw the plexes" attitude which has been effectively spread in past two years in militia comms.

And actually taking a fleet out with active goal of sitting in one system in effort to flip it? Hell, I honestly think people would go and lynch the FC for dragging them out to "get bored with spinning around buttons".
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#8 - 2011-12-01 14:55:52 UTC
Its our fault they don't form up. Tone down the blob a bit and you will get plenty of fights. As a militia we need to stop blobbing everything in site, its getting a bit sad. I saw 10 BCs blob 4 frigs last night...meh.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:
If it doesnt give us fights then its not fixed. Unfortunately theres no way for CCP to make caldari form up. They need a leader, some fresh inspiration!

Oh hi Bad o/


We got quite a few fights plexing Nen, as long as there was only 1 or 2 of us. Even got a few silly folks thinking they could kick my tengu out of a major :p

Quote:

I honestly dont think you will get any plex fights from Caldari, even when you go and start flipping Enaluri (didnt seem to be much over Nennamaila either). It would simply require too much self-initiative and effort from people. That's the outcome of couple of years of "screw the plexes" attitude which has been effectively spread in past two years in militia comms.



While I don't think the change is all that great...its a bit better because at least now everyone has the opportunity to plex and flip systems if they want to. 2-3 of us were able to flip nen in just a couple of gaming sessions...so maybe its a bit too easy, but at least we have the option to do it now.

nom nom
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#9 - 2011-12-01 15:06:28 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
That's the outcome of couple of years of "screw the plexes" attitude which has been effectively spread in past two years in militia comms.



Meh....think I need to take a shower.....Damar made a good point...and I agree!!!! PPP
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#10 - 2011-12-01 15:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Princess Nexxala wrote:
IWhile I don't think the change is all that great...its a bit better because at least now everyone has the opportunity to plex and flip systems if they want to. 2-3 of us were able to flip nen in just a couple of gaming sessions...so maybe its a bit too easy, but at least we have the option to do it now.


It is certainly bit too easy by to looks of it. Would probably be best if mechanics would simply at every dt determine the amount of plexes spawning during the day there, between say 7-15 or 10-15. That would mean all systems would require at least couple of days of work to flip and enable some prepared response.

But whatever, the blobs will eventually die down if Caldari get the idea of retaking systems. Then frogs either put effort to defend their ill gotten gains and stop attacking or they will have to send part of the attacking force to deal with people taking their systems and both sides will get more or less equal fights (with caldari defenders hopefully being able to use npcs to make up the difference. Being outnumbered also usually teaches you to be better in pvp).

That is of course in theory and in perfect world. Which Eve is hardly a simulation off...
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2011-12-01 15:12:10 UTC
You shouls always remember that patch has been only couple days on. Some people need bit more time to react changes.

I bet that after couple days some people may wake up and join the fun, other hand missions FW missions are quite tempting.

We will see what happen.
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-01 15:14:36 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:

It is certainly bit too easy by to looks of it. Would probably be best if mechanics would simply at every dt determine the amount of plexes spawning during the day there, between say 7-15 or 10-15. That would mean all systems would require at least couple of days of work to flip and enable some prepared response


It is not easy at all if Caldari would put in some effort of their own, but now they lost DT advantage. and I can see you want that back. but hopefully they will leave it as is.

Also Damar, this means you giving up? plz say so as we in Gallente will throw a party at your behalf.
Theronth Valarax
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#13 - 2011-12-01 15:18:51 UTC
Seems that it wil be a lil' bit more fair now. But what do i know, I can go **** myself.
You can now stop complaining that Val's plexing when you are asleep though, Damar.

All that's left is giving some purpose other than prestige to system flipping itself.

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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#14 - 2011-12-01 15:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Madbuster73 wrote:
Also Damar, this means you giving up? plz say so as we in Gallente will throw a party at your behalf.


Of course not you ret--ded piece of s..t*. I just dont fancy throwing myself under a bus now and going to fight whole Nisuwa by myself since that's what you hope. I'll enjoy the show and see how well the Enaluri people can handle themselves now without me forming plexing fleets. And with systems flipping within a day....well, there are few dozen systems left in Black Rise so I am in no hurry.

btw, I offered 5m bet in militia chat if one of the well known FC's would ever form a fleet with specific intention of plexing. No-one took it since they know it wont ever happen.

Edit: And yes Theronth, you can.

*for outsiders, be aware that we were once pretty good friends, me and Madbuster. However, he put on the green jersey so there was no need for me to be polite towards him after that.
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-01 15:28:50 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Madbuster73 wrote:
Also Damar, this means you giving up? plz say so as we in Gallente will throw a party at your behalf.


Of course not you ret--ded piece of s..t*. I just dont fancy throwing myself under a bus now and going to fight whole Nisuwa by myself since that's what you hope. I'll enjoy the show and see how well the Enaluri people can handle themselves now without me forming plexing fleets. And with systems flipping within a day....well, there are few dozen systems left in Black Rise so I am in hurry.

btw, I offered 5m bet in militia chat if one of the well known FC's would ever form a fleet with specific intention of plexing. No-one took it since they know it wont ever happen.

*for outsiders, be aware that we were once pretty good friends, me and Madbuster. However, he put on the green jersey so there was no need for me to be polite towards him after that.


Umadbro?

throwing under a bus?? its only me and Popiejopie running the plexes, you can hardly call that throwing under the bus. but oh yeah, I forgot you need at least 10 people in fleet with 2 blackbirds and 8 drakes. to kill off 2 guys plexing. like the big failure you are.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#16 - 2011-12-01 15:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Madbuster73 wrote:
yeah, I forgot you need at least 10 people in fleet with 2 blackbirds and 8 drakes. to kill off 2 guys plexing. like the big failure you are.


Says guy who wont pvp anywhere without his t3 links and does not pull npc aggro while plexing*. And still gets butchered when he goes against 2 faction cruisers, blackbird, rupture and crow in five faction cruisers, falcon, comet and said t3 links*. Clearly we are to be considered fail in such cases. Lol

You should also remind your Snuff box allies that attempting to hotdrop inside a plex is bad idea, m'kay....

*and will never pull it since he is never inside a plex to get standings/promotions when it's capped, thus maintaining high caldari standings.

*falcon/comet not shown on killmails as it failed to get into any
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#17 - 2011-12-01 15:40:27 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Madbuster73 wrote:
Also Damar, this means you giving up? plz say so as we in Gallente will throw a party at your behalf.


Of course not you ret--ded piece of s..t*. I just dont fancy throwing myself under a bus now and going to fight whole Nisuwa by myself since that's what you hope. I'll enjoy the show and see how well the Enaluri people can handle themselves now without me forming plexing fleets. And with systems flipping within a day....well, there are few dozen systems left in Black Rise so I am in hurry.

btw, I offered 5m bet in militia chat if one of the well known FC's would ever form a fleet with specific intention of plexing. No-one took it since they know it wont ever happen.

*for outsiders, be aware that we were once pretty good friends, me and Madbuster. However, he put on the green jersey so there was no need for me to be polite towards him after that.


Umadbro?

throwing under a bus?? its only me and Popiejopie running the plexes, you can hardly call that throwing under the bus. but oh yeah, I forgot you need at least 10 people in fleet with 2 blackbirds and 8 drakes. to kill off 2 guys plexing. like the big failure you are.


Thanks MadBuster. Even though I don't have time to play eve lately, I still get ringside seats to eve's oldest form of pvp :)

/popcorn
Theronth Valarax
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#18 - 2011-12-01 15:47:36 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:


Says guy who wont pvp anywhere without his t3 links and does not pull npc aggro while plexing*. And still gets butchered when he goes against 2 faction cruisers, blackbird, rupture and crow in five faction cruisers, falcon, comet and said t3 links*. Clearly we are to be considered fail in such cases. Lol

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement_history.php?left_type=player&left_name=Madbuster73&right_type=player&right_name=Damar+Rocarion

He's still 2:1 Big smile

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Popiejopie
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#19 - 2011-12-01 15:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Popiejopie
nice battle report you got there damar no we didnt had any t3 links, and you where landing on our plex with your little army in oin to take a plex that had only 2 mins to go and had a assault frig running it. So yes sacrifices where made and we warped in one by one from nis to keep you from jumping that gate. Looks like it worked cause as far as i remember oin says gallente now. We invite you to do that same battle on a gate again with the same ships and see what the turnout will be then. Sorry that all your plexing effort you did these last 2 years are all whiped out 3 days after a new patch. I for one am happy that the stressfull undermand after dt struggle is over for gallente Roll and i hope to see you again on the battlefield defending those systems you've worked so hard for. gf m8
Rydal32
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-01 16:27:55 UTC
This is good.

The thread was clearly started to troll Damar, so madbuster could say 'umadbro?'. Damar didn't initially bite, and set up a nice counter troll, which madbuster replied to with a premature 'umadbro?', and a 'you need to bring x to fight y'. Damar was going strong, but then resorted to one of his signiture moves 'linking of favourable BR's'. Madbuster, you should have saved the 'umadbro?' for after that.

So far, I'd say its a split decision.

*ding, ding*
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