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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#361 - 2014-04-14 20:56:00 UTC
Nightmare NOTE: it's been requested that I point here that this is the same total damage bonus as the ship had prior to the change. (1.25 (25% bonus) * 2.00 (100% bonus) = 2.50 (150% bonus))

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#362 - 2014-04-14 21:00:07 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
any comment on the shield recharge rates?


I do remember back in 09 the snake had the best sub cap passive tank.

I still have one nostalgia fit for partial passive. Used to get 1500dps tank

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#363 - 2014-04-14 21:04:26 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5


5.5+2= 7.5

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#364 - 2014-04-14 21:06:21 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Any update on the spruce goose? (Nestor)



No not spruce goose, great white whale. Moby ****.

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#365 - 2014-04-14 21:07:52 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Surprised nobody has mentioned this, but the Rattlesnake can't really take advantage of the 5th launcher--it needs two DLAs in the highs (for sentry usage) and is fairly tight on CPU anyway. Another high (since it's down a slot anyway) and/or more CPU would be needed to properly take advantage of a 5th launcher.

Why would you need more than one DLA? With a T2 DLA and IV skills you should be able to reach out to around 81km. Everything but Wardens will fall short of that anyway.

The LMJD wants to talk to you. Since the Rattlesnake doesn't have the Domi's tracking bonus to sentries, you need to be at a longer distance anyway, and 2 T2 DLAs for 105km control range works really well with a couple of Omnis. Even without the missile speed bonus, cruises can hit out that far.

Using a T2 drone control range rig only gets you 101km and also hurts your CPU, giving you even less room to fit those 5 launchers.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#366 - 2014-04-14 21:13:43 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Any update on the spruce goose? (Nestor)



No not spruce goose, great white whale. Moby ****.



Call me Ishmael

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#367 - 2014-04-14 21:42:27 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil.

The market has spoken.



DAMN IT RISE, you know not to do Battleship threads before I get home, you cost me isk. I'm filling a support ticket for reimbursement!!!

Well, after I head down to Blood Raider sapce and start farmin me some 'Snake BPCs lol.


Do you mean UP to Guristas space? P


shhhh.
It is a secret.
Also ty CCP for the excellant gurista change. i started collecting them as soon as i saw the worm changes and am not disappointed.

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DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#368 - 2014-04-14 21:46:31 UTC
These are all actually very good changes!

I have evil plans for the Nightmare coming soon 8)
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#369 - 2014-04-14 21:47:33 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.


I have yet to see a PVE rattlesnake survive any attack in null. Or kill a single attacker. We kill quite a lot of them so even if what you say is true it changes nothing. (even the guy that used ecm drones to escape the 1st grid died after he landed from warp.

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Darius Caliente
The Pinecone Squad
United Federation of Conifers
#370 - 2014-04-14 21:52:08 UTC
Has any thought been given to the nerf to Rattlesnake (and it's smaller companions) when considering utility drones. Can we perhaps get the same percentage buff given across all drone classes?

Example:
2 x EC-900 == weak
5 x EC-900 == Fighting Chance
2 x EC-900 * 275% == Fighting Chance

The same holds true for logi drones, web drones, target painter drones, etc. In fact, with the increased missile damage, target painter drones may be useful to the Rattlesnake if they get the same boost.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#371 - 2014-04-14 21:52:58 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.


I have yet to see a PVE rattlesnake survive any attack in null. Or kill a single attacker. We kill quite a lot of them so even if what you say is true it changes nothing. (even the guy that used ecm drones to escape the 1st grid died after he landed from warp.


To be fair, what solo ratting battleship(s) have you seen survive such an encounter?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#372 - 2014-04-14 21:54:04 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.


I have yet to see a PVE rattlesnake survive any attack in null. Or kill a single attacker. We kill quite a lot of them so even if what you say is true it changes nothing. (even the guy that used ecm drones to escape the 1st grid died after he landed from warp.


Did any of them use mobile depots?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#373 - 2014-04-14 21:55:17 UTC
Darius Caliente wrote:
Has any thought been given to the nerf to Rattlesnake (and it's smaller companions) when considering utility drones. Can we perhaps get the same percentage buff given across all drone classes?

Example:
2 x EC-900 == weak
5 x EC-900 == Fighting Chance
2 x EC-900 * 275% == Fighting Chance

The same holds true for logi drones, web drones, target painter drones, etc. In fact, with the increased missile damage, target painter drones may be useful to the Rattlesnake if they get the same boost.


Hmm that could make web drones useful

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#374 - 2014-04-14 22:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Still a little concerned that the bonuses for lesser drones (small, med for rattlesnake, and small for gila) have not been implemented or carried over.

The rattlesnake can at least fit full flights of them so not such a problem, but still a loss. Really on the Rattlesnake it is more OcD than anything.Cool

The Gila however will only be able to field 4 lights, plus it has lost the bonus to light drones. The new drone stats will help some, but This does make it significantly more vulnerable to small fast ships in both Pve and Pvp.Shocked

Please CCP rise, take this into account and give a bonus to lights on the Gila and lights and mediums on the Rattlesnake.
Possibly you intend to do this but are waiting for feedback?
There is now feedback.Smile

The general opinion is positive (theres always exceptions who hate change) but the issue mentioned above is concerning and fixing it will take nothing away from your otherwise excellent changes or make them more powerful than you have made them.

Tl;dr give appropriate bonus back to balance light drones on Gila..
(and if you are feeling generous on the Rattlesnake too.)

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#375 - 2014-04-14 22:25:33 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5


5.5+2= 7.5


what is this +2 that you are adding?

i see 50 mb which is two sentries,

two sentries @ 275% damage gives 550% damage. which was the same for the 5 sentries with 10% damage bonus beforehand.
what is the +2?

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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#376 - 2014-04-14 22:35:13 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that the rattlesnake stays at 7.5 effective drones, though 375% of a heavy drone is pretty nasty. I can understand the reasoning with sentries included, since anything bigger would have just wiped everything off grid.

Hooray for the extra launcher and damage bonus to missiles, that should improve it's presence some.


but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5


5.5+2= 7.5


what is this +2 that you are adding?

i see 50 mb which is two sentries,

two sentries @ 275% damage gives 550% damage. which was the same for the 5 sentries with 10% damage bonus beforehand.
what is the +2?

Eve bonuses.
2 drones * 275% = 5.5, but u add the 2 drones u started with, so 7.5 or a 375% total change
Scath Bererund
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#377 - 2014-04-14 22:36:52 UTC
snake going down to 50mb/s bandwidth...



damn
Je'ron
The Happy Shooters
#378 - 2014-04-14 22:40:03 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:

....
what is this +2 that you are adding?

i see 50 mb which is two sentries,

two sentries @ 275% damage gives 550% damage. which was the same for the 5 sentries with 10% damage bonus beforehand.
what is the +2?


Those are the base damage/drones. The 275% is bonus. Meaning on top of the 100% you already have. So the calculation is
2 drones * (100% base + 275% bonus) = 2 drones * 3.75 = 7.5 drones

math is difficult Roll
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#379 - 2014-04-14 22:40:30 UTC
Scath Bererund wrote:
snake going down to 50mb/s bandwidth...



damn

Given the Worm and Gila, I can't see how that wasn't expected.
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#380 - 2014-04-14 22:41:27 UTC
Scath Bererund wrote:
snake going down to 50mb/s bandwidth...



damn


It's as if this follows with the other Guristas ships that CCP said would all have the same theme, this one being a small number of super drones.

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