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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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Alim Omaristos
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2014-04-14 15:19:04 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
AleAlejandro wrote:
Straight up buff to the NM <3


Shield incursion runners are dancing in the streets.
Armour incursion runners are now looking at dumping any laser boat but the Nightmare.
But what about it's impact on null sec... where is all your Grr everything except Highsec drivel. What is going on in this world.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#142 - 2014-04-14 15:19:45 UTC
THANK YOU!

The Mach (my mach <3 ) looks good.
Everytime I want to do some stuff with my mach that is more than 3 jumps out in lowsec, I use my Tornado. With the warp speed buff I will lose .. eh use it some more.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#143 - 2014-04-14 15:20:57 UTC
Alim Omaristos wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
AleAlejandro wrote:
Straight up buff to the NM <3


Shield incursion runners are dancing in the streets.
Armour incursion runners are now looking at dumping any laser boat but the Nightmare.
But what about it's impact on null sec... where is all your Grr everything except Highsec drivel. What is going on in this world.

I'm scared!

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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#144 - 2014-04-14 15:22:14 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
From what I can tell, the Rattlesnake's missile velocity bonus was pretty much worthless, especially for cruise missiles,


Wrong. Torpedoes on a rattlesnake worked very well and my range with Javelins was up to 48km without implants or rigs. The velocity bonus is one of the main reasons I chose rattlesnake. Cruise missile velocity sped up the impact when sniping, allowing faster target switches and thus better overall dps.

I don't understand why the devs think its OK to take away play styles from these extremely skill intensive pirate battleships.
Usagi Lunar
Triton Industries.
#145 - 2014-04-14 15:22:33 UTC
I feel as though the Gurista ship line changes hurt them as pve ships. The Gila especially as now its drones just get shot down otw to targets.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#146 - 2014-04-14 15:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
MACHARIEL

Gallente Battleship Bonus:
12.5(+2.5)% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff

Minmatar Battleship Bonus:
7.5(+2.5)% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage
7.5% mwd sig pen reduction per level

Role Bonus:
25% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
note: This ship has increased warp speed and warp acceleration


Slot layout: 8H, 6M(+1), 6L(-1); 7 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 17950 PWG, 600 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 9320 / 7250(-2000) / 7260(-1000)
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5800 / 1154000ms(-875) / 5.02
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 145(-16) / .096(+.012) / 94680000 / 12.60(+1.5)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-50) / 75 (-50)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km(+13km) / 125(-25) / 7
Sensor strength: 26
Signature radius: 320(-30)

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#147 - 2014-04-14 15:24:48 UTC
Gustav Mannfred wrote:
I think, a web bonus on the vindicator is useless and too powerfull in pvp.



Tell us more about useless yet overpowered bonuses.

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#148 - 2014-04-14 15:24:57 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
MACHARIEL


nice nerfs there bro
KiithSoban
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#149 - 2014-04-14 15:25:08 UTC
All looks good to me.

I want to see logi appear on killmails! (by just repping)  See CSM "reasonable things"
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#150 - 2014-04-14 15:26:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Usagi Lunar wrote:
I feel as though the Gurista ship line changes hurt them as pve ships. The Gila especially as now its drones just get shot down otw to targets.


right. It is preferable to have multiple drone because it takes longer to kill them all in pvp as well. Damaging one and forcing a pullback or webbing one of them won't remove 50% of Guristas drone DPS.

Bring back the large drone bay and missile velocity bonus. The Guristas need this versatility if they are to be gimped in such a manner.

We picked rattlesnake because of its versatility.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2014-04-14 15:26:51 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Super sentries. Told you, Arthur. Big smile


This will at least shut up the people who were ready to scream bloody murder if The 'Snake only got bonuses to heavies lol.



Meh, the snake still sucks. (Keep in mind I'm referring to PVE only) I stopped using them after the omni nerf and they've done nothing to the platform to make me want to pick them back up. Even with the drone "changes". I'll gladly sell the 4-5 I have at a healthy profit though. At least the other pirate ships are *BETTER* at a their roles/niches than most other ships that could fill them. There really is nothing it does that another ship doesn't do better. I feel like the devs haven't really looked at the graphic of how ships were supposed to be that was shown at fanfest last year.

Anyway, my point is I don't see these changing the pirate BS meta in any significant way. People that flew, Vindis, Machs and Nightmares are still going to fly them now, and people that didn't fly the RS are still not going to fly them now... so I guess the devs win this round?


Ishtar is the new Gila
Dominix is the new Rattlesnake
Little Blackjack
Money Savers Inc
#152 - 2014-04-14 15:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Blackjack
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:

The DPS hasn't changed... It still has 10 effective turrets. (Before 4*2*1.25=10, now 4*2.5=10)


Ahh.. my bad. right. too bad at all. damn it.

But wait:

4 Turrets * (100% Bonus + 25%) = 9 Turrets
4 Turrets * 150% = 10 Turrets.

??
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#153 - 2014-04-14 15:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
MACHARIEL


nice nerfs there bro


too allow them too focus it on its strengths and add new ones...

- stronger projectile damage and projection - so they are actual masters of projectiles
- drone nerf.. well who kites with heavies anyway?
- sig reduction and mwd sig pen reduction allows you too take less damage...
- armour nerf - well they are supposed too be shield tanked anyway and the extra mid allows for stronger tank here

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Usagi Lunar
Triton Industries.
#154 - 2014-04-14 15:28:51 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Super sentries. Told you, Arthur. Big smile


This will at least shut up the people who were ready to scream bloody murder if The 'Snake only got bonuses to heavies lol.



Meh, the snake still sucks. (Keep in mind I'm referring to PVE only) I stopped using them after the omni nerf and they've done nothing to the platform to make me want to pick them back up. Even with the drone "changes". I'll gladly sell the 4-5 I have at a healthy profit though. At least the other pirate ships are *BETTER* at a their roles/niches than most other ships that could fill them. There really is nothing it does that another ship doesn't do better. I feel like the devs haven't really looked at the graphic of how ships were supposed to be that was shown at fanfest last year.

Anyway, my point is I don't see these changing the pirate BS meta in any significant way. People that flew, Vindis, Machs and Nightmares are still going to fly them now, and people that didn't fly the RS are still not going to fly them now... so I guess the devs win this round?


Ishtar is the new Gila
Dominix is the new Rattlesnake


While I maxed out hybrid skills years ago missiles were just more fun. Thats why I speced into the Gila and Rattle. Drones + Missiles, now nothing fits this formula really.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#155 - 2014-04-14 15:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Marc Callan wrote:
From what I can tell, the Rattlesnake's missile velocity bonus was pretty much worthless


i dunno i typically had torps fitted to mine... though that was before the cruise boost.

but tbh torps need some loving anyways.

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Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#156 - 2014-04-14 15:30:21 UTC
Thanks for the update, Rise.



Gonna go buy another Bhaalgorn.

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Elisk Skyforge
State War Academy
#157 - 2014-04-14 15:31:29 UTC
These are actually pretty good. Love my Rattle even more now...please make these changes final.
Alim Omaristos
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2014-04-14 15:31:34 UTC
Usagi Lunar wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Super sentries. Told you, Arthur. Big smile


This will at least shut up the people who were ready to scream bloody murder if The 'Snake only got bonuses to heavies lol.



Meh, the snake still sucks. (Keep in mind I'm referring to PVE only) I stopped using them after the omni nerf and they've done nothing to the platform to make me want to pick them back up. Even with the drone "changes". I'll gladly sell the 4-5 I have at a healthy profit though. At least the other pirate ships are *BETTER* at a their roles/niches than most other ships that could fill them. There really is nothing it does that another ship doesn't do better. I feel like the devs haven't really looked at the graphic of how ships were supposed to be that was shown at fanfest last year.

Anyway, my point is I don't see these changing the pirate BS meta in any significant way. People that flew, Vindis, Machs and Nightmares are still going to fly them now, and people that didn't fly the RS are still not going to fly them now... so I guess the devs win this round?


Ishtar is the new Gila
Dominix is the new Rattlesnake


While I maxed out hybrid skills years ago missiles were just more fun. Thats why I speced into the Gila and Rattle. Drones + Missiles, now nothing fits this formula really.
A pve Armageddon.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#159 - 2014-04-14 15:33:21 UTC
The rattle is well overbonused compared to the gila and worm.... no consistency at all .. unjustifiable really

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#160 - 2014-04-14 15:34:01 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Alim Omaristos wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
AleAlejandro wrote:
Straight up buff to the NM <3


Shield incursion runners are dancing in the streets.
Armour incursion runners are now looking at dumping any laser boat but the Nightmare.
But what about it's impact on null sec... where is all your Grr everything except Highsec drivel. What is going on in this world.

I'm scared!


Well, I have to say, these changes do improve the shield incursion groups, and most likely the armour incursion groups.
Yes, these changes (except for the Rattlesnake) improve performance pretty much across the board for ALL potential uses of the ship classes.

So yeah, high sec was thrown a bone with this one, after god knows how many nerfs.
But we have yet to see if incursions take a nerf overall, yet.

And yeah, null sec STILL makes out nicely with this, because the vast majority of the BPC's for these ships come from null sec, so a nice buff in income for null.

We still won't see PvP fleets of pirate BS's (outside of maybe the Bhaal killing capital ship capacitors), solely based on the costs of the hulls.