EVE New Citizens Q&A

Some of the prerequisite skills for driving capital ships around still do absolutely nothing except increase the amount of time you have to sit around burning SP into something non-functional before you can operate capital ships.

In the size range of ships that aren't stupefyingly boring to drive around (i.e. medium and small) there aren't really any skills you'll ever put points in that don't actually have a use in themselves beyond qualifying you for another skill that is useful within the same set of general operational conditions. I.E. if you want to train electronic warfare, the fact that you have to train Electronics to a certain level first isn't just time-wasting because the expanded CPU also helps you to use EW stuff.

(I guess ship operations skills can count as "just prereqs" since frigates doesn't directly help you to drive a cruiser other than being required training time... but the weapon trees don't, since there are situations where you'll need or want to equip under-sized weapons on a large or medium boat.)

I agree, Advanced Spaceship Command is a useless skill. You have to train it to level 5 to open any capital ship that has it as a requirement (Orca does not). I understand prior to the Capital ship requirement freighters had lower requirements but no more.

Actually, are we restricted to current in-game skills?

Because if we're allowed to mention ones that aren't really in the game any more (e.g. Black-market trading) then I would like to submit the Learning skill tree in its entirety. So very, very useless once remaps became a thing... spend two months on skills with no direct benefit in exchange for making up that lost time in (usually) over two years of continuous training.

Ugh.

I thought anchoring was useless past 3?

I stand corrected :)

This is wrong and a common misconception.

The armor bleed through is ADDITIONAL damage on top of what you take on your shields.

This is not true, and has been tested.

Please see the countless other threads on the topic. Hint: search for threads I've posted in.

EDIT: Nevermind, I searched for you. See the posts by Goa Vibe. [Estel Arador linked these (post #36).]

Well, no, it's not useless. It's just you need to train for the maximum benefit it provides in order to fly some ships. As far as the old. lower requirements go, there's actually very little difference in the old versus new training time - something in the order of a few days.

Erm... I was misquoted, but yes TSM5 is slightly detrimental, but to such a small extent that, and requires a very unlikely scenario to occur, that the loss of a few points of EHP doesn't matter.

This also makes it completely pointless to spend two weeks training TSM 5. [Unless you are OCD about all level 5's and such.]

Also, there is no additional damage when bleed occurs.

Since I hate reading through the thread to see the skills, I will try sum it up.

In the following a skill level is useless if it gives you no bonus or unlock.

Bragging rights are useless.
High SP count is not only useless but also cost ISK.
High skill count: See bragging rights.

Please do let me know of any errors / skills I missed.

Useless skills:

• Astronautics Engineering I-V: Useless.
• Industrial Construction IV-V: Useless.
• Battleship Construction V: Useless.
• Tactical Shield Manipulation V: Harmful to most (all?) people.

Skills that have been claimed useless but are not:

• Outpost Constructiopn IV-V: Are not dead skills (unlikely you will ues them though). They unlock the highest tier player built dockable nullsec station service upgrades like the 50% base refine yield upgrade module on the minmatar station.
• Jury Rigging V: Required for manufacturing T3 subsystems.
• Advanced Target Management V: Little use but there are ships with 13 targets.
• Advanced Spaceship Command I-V: Not useless at all, required to fly capital ships + bonus.

*EDIT* Updated with new info 2014-05-28 (pre-Kronos)