Wormholes

>talking about which dread is the best

There is only one metric that matters, and that is DPS. So the moros is the best.

It doesn't though.

That's like saying "If the moros didn't exist would it still be the best?"

Of course not, I'm talking within the scope of how things currently are, and within that scope, DPS is the only metric that matters, and the moros is the best.

so basically what you're saying is that all of the moros stats are good aand it has the most DPS, hence it is the best dread.
well, youre not wrong, it IS the best dread but it's NOT purely for DPS reasons.

But the Moros doesn't have good stats all round. It is the worst dread when it comes to tanking (both armour and shields, though the Revelation has a worse shield tank... but if you're shield tanking a Revelation you need to be training for another dread ASAP) and cap life. It is also the least agile, taking 10% longer to get into warp and has the second worst sensors (the Phoenix has the worst, but also has large numbers of mids to fit SeBos).

The only thing the Moros is the best at is killing things from 20-40kms. Granted this is usually what you use a Dreadnought for, but you also have to realise that a dead dreadnought doesn't do any damage, and neither does a neuted dreadnought.

Best damage (in a limited range profile), bad sensors, worst allign time, easiest to shut down (by either neuting OR just killing it). This is the Moros.

Little advantages add up. Both the Naglfar and the Revelation will lock things a full gun cycle faster than the Moros. So by the time the Moros is firing its first salvo, the Rev and Nag are firing their second. It's only really a big deal on the first target, but again, small advantages add up.

A single Bhaalgorn will cap a (shield) Moros out in 88 seconds, but will take a full minute longer to cap out a Revelation. That's an extra 25 shots with the Revelation. The Naglfar will keep firing no matter what anyway. How good is a Moros that can't fire?

Implants also favour the Revelation, 5% more of a larger number is a bigger bonus. Slaves work on capitals, Crystals don't.

EDIT: All of this is not to say that the Moros is bad. It isn't. It is very good, I'd even say its too good. But ignoring the strong points of the other dreads is just ignorant. Paper DPS isn't everything.

bottom line is this. If your 16k dps moros can't tank my 13k dps nag while it can tank the moros, the extra DPS isnt really the deciding factor is it?

*sigh* You clearly don't understand basic reasoning so I'm out man. You do what you want for whatever reason you want to.

Don't worry about it, Angsty Teenager just wants to be told he's right, like an angsty teenager in fact.

You are correct, but in a wormhole, the most you're realistically going to face is 3 dreads (unless you're seeding). A Naglfar can be setup to tank 3 Moroses forever. You know exactly what you're going to be shot with: 42% Thermal, and 58% Kinetic. Tank for those two damage types.

A Moros however cannot tank 3 Naglfars because the Nags can use all damage types. If you tank for Thermal, they shoot EM, if you tank for EM, they shoot Explosive. You need a rainbow tank, and you simply can't do it.

3 Nags will kill 3 Moroses every time with 0 losses.

An actual thing that happens in running sites in a Moros, even with all V +implants, is that they get so much pressure from rats that they have to actually stop firing or even drop out of siege even after refitting to cap/rep because the neut pressure is just too high.

A nag will in the same situation not have the same issue and can continue firing while repping because of being able to refit more cap rechargers because of more mids while keeping lows for tank.

So no, DPS is not the only consideration as there are many situations that happen regularly while running sites that reduce or negate that advantage on a Moros while it does not effect the Nag, or effects it less.

Saying that everything but the DPS consideration is irrelevant is extremely shortsighted and narrow minded and is probably the main reason everyone wants to change black holes when they can be run quite decently with Nags.