EVE General Discussion

Antisocial = Troll, no more no less.

Itll be interesting to see what other parts of the game the Erotica 1 decision influences. If the GMs are going to take a "we cant say what the lines are, youll abuse them by tiptoeing them" stance.

If the Erotica 1 'we want a specific rule for every little thing' supporters get their way, that's exactly what we'll have.

I, for one, am glad CCP is ignoring them.

Mr Epeen

It's not the line that's blurry, it's your comprehension.

The line is perfectly clear. Not that 'the line' has anything to do with the rules except in the most general sense. The rules, as CCP has told you, are specifically non-specific for a very good reason. One that I accept as making sense and keeping things under control without trying to force gameplay.

You want to destroy that player latitude by having CCP make hard and fast rules. It's you that wants to ruin the game by restricting sandbox play.

Mr Epeen

No, I don;t want hard and fast rules, I just want more clarity than "if another player gets upset, stop". Since some players get upset about almost anything, while others you could murder their families without worry, that's incredibly subjective and impossible to gauge. Then add onto that the fact that prior to this CCP state EXPLICITLY that they DO NOT deal with third party tools. Now they at least deal with some, so WHICH do they now deal with.

It's not a hard set of questions and it's not unreasonable to ask. Look at what has happened here. Something that last year was perfectly acceptable, and hasn't changed at all is not unacceptable because a CSM member started a hate campaign. Asking for an explanation of the extent to which their rules have changed, or just clarification that this was a once off due to abuse of a CSM power would be nice to know. I don't want to be responding to someone on twitter then suddenly find my account banned because some random CSM thought my words were too harsh for their liking.

Thread ended ages ago but all you persistent, obtuse, oblivious people that just don't 'get it' were PONED right here ↑↑↑
Hard.

Firstly, it's "pwned" or at the very worst "powned", a play on "owned", unless you meant a he oned us (rather than twoed us).

Secondly, it's not even "pwned", since that merely a statement of his opinion which is clearly not correct. It's clear that the only group of people here that are restricting sandbox play are the group that want scammers to be banned based purely on a CSMs hate campaign rather than on the actions taken by that scammer. Asking for rules to be clarified beyond "don't make people sad" is not restrictive to sandbox play, it's quite the opposite. The way they've got it right now is heavily restrictive to play, since nobody knows what will make a random CSM member have a fit, so people have to err on the side of caution by doing nothing to upset people.

You like that though right? You'll be happy when they stop people being able to do anything that is counter to your gameplay against your will, right? When scamming and ganking is no more and you can happily grind missions in your bling ship in total safety.

If you ignore all of the parts where that's exactly what happened (so pretty much the entire thing) then you are correct. There is a little thing called reality though. Go back through the forum and look, there are at least 4 other times where bonus rooms have been raised and have been as bad, if not worse than this instance. Mysteriously nothing was done, even when GMs have been involved directly. The thing that makes this latest situation unique is that a CSM member had a sad about it.

Jokes are usually funny. If you can't tell them, don't try.

The CSM have a responsibility to hold themselves to a higher standard. They also have the power to reach a lot of people much more quickly and easily, meaning if they choose to got on a personal hate campaign against an individual (like in this case) the individual stands no chance. Of course the rest of the CSM will state their support (though in this case it was only stated by 2 CSM members) as that's what they will be expected to do. Whatever way you see it though, no action was taken until this was pushed into a public witch hunt, which clearly shows that's the reason action was taken. Sure CCP have the right to do it, but that doesn't mean people should sit by in silence and accept it.

You can continue to tell people to go play another game, and I'll continue to tell you the same thing. I can and will stay here and I can and will continue to petition for fair, transparent and unbiased moderation. If you don't like that, you may also go elsewhere. I'm not going to just move on because some forum troll told me to.

Really? Doesn't seem like a benefit to us that a single player can force CCPs hand into a ruling on a case which they had already chosen to stay out of. Remember, this is nto the first case brought up about the bonus room and is not the first time this particular case was brought forward. When CCP independently looked at it, they took no action. Once Ripard chose to start his hate campaign, they reacted.

Total and utter bullshit. The statistics clearly prove that it's no more than a vocal minority on either side of this. Chribba showed that the original threadnaught had more pages than posters. The majority of the playerbasee couldn't care less about the actual situation either way. This lack of involvement in these affairs is why it's even more important that CCPs rules are explicit, and won't be undermined by a single CSM member with an agenda.

Citation needed. I've only seen a couple of CSMs mention it, I've not seen anything from CCP about the specific case and they haven't even stated to Erotica 1 why he was banned or even given an indication of how long it's for. I've certainly seen as many members of the community on each side though, and even then total that have stated anything about it is a tiny fraction of the community. If we're going to just look at the actions taken and speculate on what that means, then it's clear that CCP is tolerant of racial abuse.

How am I? I'm asking for quite the opposite. I'm asking for clear, fair and unbiased rules, so we can all play by the same book. What you want is for the line to be so fuzzy that people have to fear any action that might upset another player, turning this game into hello kitty online. I don;t want the sandbox filled with arbitrary rulings by people with agendas. I want the edges of the sandbox clearly drawn in, so we can all play in it freely.

FTFY.