EVE General Discussion

and ofcourse dicters are only used for bubbling hostile fleets on stations... amirite? this maybe happends in 2 % of the time flying a dictor. (hint: this can only happen when someone is reinforcing your station at 0 km (how else can u trap them within 20km radius?))

There are just too many trolls in here not even flying dictors or knowing how to fly them posting ******** sentences,....

The dictors advantage over the hic is also its biggest disadvantage, bubbles are stationary. Stationary bubbles are easy to avaoid by burning out of them (20km radius / avarage 1400m/s cruiser 2000m/s frig speed= 7 and 5 sec to burn out (this is if u are on 0 of target whitch isnt the case most times)). Stationary bubbles killes blues and `blue` bubbles can harm your fleet alot. Dicters wernt overpowerd, they are getting nerf now. New ccp tactic to make 0.0 safer?

I dont see why most trolls here finds this good change, i guess they want safer 0.0 to bear. Dictors are really easy to avoid and they are suicide ships.

This is a good change.


That the OP and friends eve have the nerve to argue against it is mind boggling.


I dont care if you call it "tactics" - aggressive actions should trigger agro timers.

When ever I form up for a null sec roam I'm often witness to a fleet conversation along the following lines:

[FC]Can anyone bring a bubbler?
[FC]Can anyone bring a bubbler?
[FC]Can anyone bring a bubbler?
[FC]Are there any Dictor pilots online?
[FC]Fred! You can fly a dictor, can your bring one please?
[Fred]I lost my dictor on last night's roam.
[FC]No problem, I'll contract you one with the fittings.
[Fred]No thanks, I just want to be one of the guys tonight, work on my isk efficiency.
[FC]Come on dude, we really need you!
[Fred]FFS, I don't want to do it, I did it the last 5 roams. It is really easy to get into a Dictor, why can't other people train them and use them once in a while.
[FC]Can anyone bring a bubbler?

Absolutely everyone in gang wants a bubbler along, but few want to get in one or spare 6 days training for Destroyer V. Why is that? Because they come with a big price tag that can't be insured and drop like flies. Add on to that the fact that although their bubbles make an immense contribution to the success of the gang, they will often not get on the KM. This is because dropping the bubble itself will not get them on the KM and due to their fragile nature, their main task after dropping the bubble is to GTFO. For them to get on the KM, the victim has to both try to warp out of the bubble and then actually get killed. Or the dictor hovers on the peripherals of the fight and then just whores onto the bottom of the last few KMs when he is certain his fleet is going to win. That is not a satisfying way of keeping up your isk efficiency and certainly isn't fun.

This latest change is a nerf to the survivability of dictors. Logically, before swinging the nerf bat, there has to be a need to nerf something. As I stated in my last post, the only reason I can think of is to prevent the double bubble tactic. If that is the case, then CCP have thrown out the baby with the bath water, they could have done this by just applying a one launcher restriction to a dictor if that was their objective.

To nerf the survivability of a ship that pilots are already reluctant to fly due to it poor survivability is ridiculous.

To all who are arguing that this is fair, all I can assume is that none of you are null sec dwellers, or at least not Null Sec PvPers. Bubbles are one of the big defining features of null sec, you might not like bubbles, but nobody accuses dictors of being OP.

As for saying that being able to post bubble (activate ship role) and immediately jump/dock is unprecedented. That isn't true. Logistics pilots have the same functionality. They make an enormous difference in a fight, but have the same ability to instantly dock or jump if aggressed. They suffer the same problems though and few pilots will get into them for those reasons. They are expensive, can't be insured properly, still die regularly and don't get their pilots on KillMails just preforming their primary role.

Logistics also have an exploit associated with them. The docking game faggotry, it is a far bigger issue and unlike dictors, it affects high and low sec dwellers too. This has been debated far more hotly than the double bubble tactic, but still CCP have hesitated to take action. There would be outcry if CCP swung the nerf bat in the same manner and just gave Logistic ships aggression once they started repping.

It seems to me that someone in CCP saw a problem, quickly thought up a solution and implemented it, thinking it would have no other impact than removing what he perceived was an exploit with the double bubble tactic. Was there any discussion with players on this matter beforehand?

Sure some people will continue to fly dictors (I hope). But I just don't understand why this change was implemented and claiming that this is just bringing dictors aggro mechanics in line with other types of ships/weapons is just ridicous. There is no weapon system that bares any resemblance to bubbles. You could just as easily argue that the entire friendly fleet should become aggressed when their dictor posts the bubble...but then so should the enemy fleet, because bubbles don't only target enemies.

Your main problem seems to be that you're ganging with selfish killmail whores rather than team-players.

Hostile intent does not equal aggression. Should putting on a sensor booster give you aggression?

I'm sorry, but I seem to be having difficulty identifying the times where you were the selfless player in the dictor. Perhaps you could share your KB link ?

You are correct, but unfortunately he isn't exactly. Intent is what we have when you haven't launched your bubble yet. The moment you lauch it it stops being just intent and becomes action and getting the corresponding timer isn't unreasonable, because you change that area of space for everyone with that action. With a sensor booster you can only change yourself and it alone can't transform your hostile intent in to action, that influences other players.

This from someone who claims that his dictor can't have any guns or tank.

If i do ECM Burst... this is Act of aggresion and I am shown on the killmails as agressor
If I do smart bomb... this is Act of aggression and I am shown on the killmails as the agressor
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Dictor bubles give aggression only to ME the dictor?
There for ... they are Broken !
CCP shoud fix them.

If you do a change, do it right.

Other then that, some tactics may change about the gates and stuff, some people might stop flying dictors etc..
Or
Maybe they want to return the warp from your own buble feature... ??? Probably not.

I dont understand why the nerf? Was it broken? Was it overpowered?

Dramiel nerf = FAIL ... What changed? I can't fit salvager on the dramiel... thx CPP :) love you...

LOL.

And this is why nobody wants to go out there. Yes, 0.0 is sitting at bubble camps all day killing everything that moves. Meanwhile, the alliance lords that you are paying rent to are carebearing it up bigtime way deep into the 0.0 that you are denying by your maintaining the Great Wall of Carebear (bears on BOTH sides, by the way).


This "problem" would not exist if bubbles didn't exist either.