EVE General Discussion

LOL.

It's Iceland, not Hawaii.

It's better than nothing I suppose.

They were originally created to be a watchdog group to keep CCP from another T20. Now, high school government in the asylum.

It's all smoke and mirrors to make you think they affect things.

Student govt whose original purview was to make sure the teachers dont cheat on their own tests

The delivery fiasco of the summer minutes shows what he really thinks about the CSM....

A stack of rubber stamps labeled "CSM" would be cheaper and just effective.

No way to tell, as most of what they do is NDA

I was pleasantly surprised to find out how effective the CSM can be. The main value of the CSM necessarily lies in the NDA covered feedback it can give from named, accountable representatives whom CCP work with over a decent length of time.

One of the strongest ways we can help is by bringing in-depth knowledge of specific gameplay areas. Remember that EVE is simply too big and complex for anyone to be an expert on everything - even the devs. Especially the devs, because they spend more time writing code than playing the game.

To give a hypothetical example of what I mean, suppose CCP Rise, who has a strong background in solo/very small gang PvP wants to give a boat class a general buff. He writes up a draft devblog in which he proposes that Amarr Fleebleboats should get a 15% speed increase, while Minmatar Flobbleboats get a 20% sig reduction. In terms of his experience, the Fleeble speed increase is about as valuable as the Flobble sig bonus. However people like Progod and Sala have extensive big fleet combat, and they advise that the main use for Fleebles and Flobbles in game is as big fleet ships, in which case the 20% reduction vs bomb damage is far more powerful than an increase in subwarp speed.

Now sure, Rise could just ask the playerbase in general, but the problem with doing that is:

(1) A very poor signal to noise ratio, becaue most forum posters are unable or unwilling to give useful, coherent and logical feedback.
(2) A large contingent of people who take any idea by a CCP employee about anything as a binding commitment. These people then get super mad that Flobbleboats don't get the 20% sig reduction that they were "promised!!!!". They whine on about it for years and poison all further ship balancing threads with their refusal to let it go.
(3) Metagaming comes into play, eg: Say the CFC already have a large fraction of their fleet members trained into Flobbleboats due to existing doctrines. Thus the NC can gain a relative advantage in ensuring that Flobbles aren't buffed, and try and campaign to make sure that they end up the worst fleetship in the boat class.
(4) Dinsdale.

Oh god, I loled hard. Thank you for that :)

And I know you produce your sarcasm against those who repeatedly offend common sense and such things. Thing is you are visible almost exclusively with such post recently. Or maybe it is just my skewed impression, probably I miss a lot of substantial posts in areas I don't lurk so often. Whatever, I'm looking forward to some wordy fruits of your free time :)

Btw, did CCP released video from last summit with your part as well? I remember them saying that Dolan or somebody derped at editing and video they showed during stream didn't have you but I checked later archives and didn't noticed you in there either. So am I blind or you squeezed in between my fast forward steps or your face and voice will remain a mystery for me?

farce /färs/
noun: farce; plural noun: farces

a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.

synonyms: slapstick comedy, slapstick, burlesque, vaudeville, buffoonery
"the stories approach farce"

antonyms: tragedy
•the genre of farce.
•an absurd event.
"the debate turned into a drunken farce"

synonyms: mockery, travesty, absurdity, sham, pretense, masquerade, charade, joke, waste of time

There you go.