Ships & Modules

Hi all,

What would be the optimal vulture setup, and is there any surprise setups, in the sense of not focusing on the bonuses?
Thanks in advance!
Ym

250mil for a Ferox +1 is probably not worth it. You can do some silly **** like Blasters with a dual XL-ASB, but at the end of the day you have a really slow, expensive ship that will never catch anything that doesn't want to fight it.

Just been playing about with Eft and I cant make a vulture fit thats significantly better then my ferox to justify the extra costs.

Vulture

Damage control 2
beta reactor control shield power relay 1
beta reactor control shield power relay 1
F-aQ phase code tracking subroutine

experimental 10mn afterburner
Large F-s9 shield induction
Large F-s9 shield induction
upgraded thermic dissipation amp
upgraded kinetic dissipation amp
empty mid slot (no idea what to put here)

5 250m prototype Gauss guns
a tractor beam and an empty high slot.

2 meduim core defense field purgers.

So over my ferox, I lose 1 gun, 1 field purger and gain a midslot. I cant see how this would help as I died due to not being able to kill fast enough to get into warp. Maybe if I upskill a bit so I can fit another Large F-s9 shield induction?

Yeah makes sense.... Together with the resists I'm thinking a massive shield tank might be an option. not sure whether to go for active or passive though.

I liked the passive tank as it let me use my cap for my Aburner and guns. I had alot of fun in the lev 3 missions until I got squished. It felt like sometimes I could aggro a room and watch my tank slowly sink to 50%, then watch it slowly rise again to 90% as I killed off the npcs and they couldnt break my tank. the npc battleships though chewed through me so very terribly fast... I dont know if an active tank would have saved me tbh. Theres that much incoming damage in that mission.

I cant fly a vulture yet. I am training "stuff" (highly technical term) though and I've not been putting t2 as a prioty. Meta 4 does most of what I need to do with the advantage

of dropping from rats.. I mean being cheap on the market.

Am I doing this wrong btw?

It can have a phenomenal shield tank of either active or passive variety. It's buffer tank is comparable to a Rokh, and its high resists means it stands up very well under reps, either from friendly logistics in fleet battles or active tanking in small gangs.

The only problem is that its raw damage output is less than stellar for what you're paying, its bonuses don't do a whole lot for blaster fits, you can't catch anything by yourself, and if you ever leave a station undock with it you will probably find yourself mobbed in short order because you are fat, slow, and expensive.


Don't train Command Ships for PvE. They can be solid PvE boats if you already know how to fly them and want to do missions for whatever reason, but for the love of god do not put yourself through months of Charisma skills that are utterly useless outside of fleets when you could do the same thing in a CNR.

according to a goonwiki I found the vulture is a fleet command ship while the nighthawk is the field command ship.

You would use the vulture in a large fleet. For a small gang of you and a few mates you would use the a field command ship

http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Vulture.html

quote: "High
1x Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
1x Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency
1x Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding
1x Improved Cloaking Device II
3x Wildcards - If you're trying to do DPS with this, get in a Field Command ship you idiot
Mid
1x 10MN Microwarpdrive II
3x Large Shield Extender II
1x Invulnerability Field II
1x Photon Scattering Field II
Low
1x Damage Control II
3x Power Diagnostic System II
Rigs
2x Core Defence Field Extender I
Implant
Siege Warfare Mindlink
All these other vulture fits are ******* terrible, a Vulture shouldn't be bothering with DPS or faction and deadspace mods or drone link augs. This one has 229k EHP, and the two important links for shield gangs. The mindlink is very important to your fleet, as it takes your bonuses for the shield links from 17.25% to 25.8%.
This ship passive tanks 640 dps, which isn't all much but I guess its worth a couple fewer ships firing at you. Also, a KVA1000 implant only costs you 8m and it brings you another 6k EHP, if you want to pimp it out a bit."

I dont know how accurate this is as I have no idea when it was written.

Our wiki is pretty out of date in a lot of places while we wait for it to be transferred to a new network some time soon(TM). A recent initiative in Tiericide was killing the distinction between Fleet and Field Command ships. In theory at least, any command ship is capable of boosting or being a viable combatant.

For leading or boosting a fleet, the fit is pretty simple: a great stonkin' tank with gang links and utility equipment in the highs (probes, smartbombs, whatever you might want to do your job). If you have guns at all, it's probably a single 125mm Autocannon for whoring on kms.

If you wanted to use one as a line ship for a fleet or a gang large enough to rely on remote repairs, you'd fit for tank and damage. Unfortunately, you're a slow bastard and you don't really have enough low slots to squeeze in agility for roaming with faster gangs. You don't warp that much slower than a T1 Cruiser, but you will probably still end up being burdensome with anybody that wants to move fast.



Pretty good damage, great projection, phenomenal tank, tracking is unexceptional and oh god is it a slow bastard. You would probably be better off in an Eagle if you really wanted to do this.


For solo/very small fights, you can fit a beastly active tank like this Dual XL-ASB gimmick. You tank ~1k DPS per booster and have enough buffer that you can probably live between reloads.



The problem with a solo Ferox, of course, being that it can't catch anything and its only method to escape from a gang that can kill it is to dock/jump back through the gate and hope there's no tackle on the other side. I've opted for hard tackle over a long point because it's not like being pointed by something that goes 400 m/s is a significant impediment to most ships if they want to escape.


As you've probably gathered from my tone, the Vulture can do some things really well, but has serious limitations that will make it difficult to find a justification for given its enormous pricetag.

Why are passive hardeners useless?

I hate missiles with a passion ever since I sat and watched a rat with 2% structure left chew at me for for 35 secs worth of reload time and recover half its shields. I kept thinking if this was pvp, I would be dead.