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Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#61 - 2014-04-12 23:26:51 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:


But I've been accused, not only by the trolls, but by CCP itself practically, of just whining about my ship loss because I need to learn to play. The burden of proof is all on my apparently. I can't disprove any accusation. But neither can CCP.


So all I have to do is say, CCP created the bastion module to cause the loss of marauders. They intentionally disconnect players who are using the bastion module, in the hopes that they will lose their ships, and likely buy at least 2 PLEXs to replace their losses. Well that was easy. And it makes total sense from their point of view. Of course they would deny such an accusation. I hope they see how it feels..


Captain, this thread is holding at paranoia factor 5.2 .



I know you're just a troll, but it's important you understand why I said that. CCP won't reimburse my loss because they don't know why I lost connection with them. But they know I lost connection. They have a financial incentive to not reimburse, after all I could just be a sore loser. The accusation is that it was probably my fault. Well, anyone can make accusations.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Solecist Project
#62 - 2014-04-12 23:28:18 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:
Why do anything if it you can just lose anything you buy at any time. Maybe the point of EVE is just to spin those ships.

That's the whole point.

You can lose everything you have!

Sure... that's tough luck you had... but otoh flying such a ship...

You could as well have been ganked! Would you then say the same?

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Serene Repose
#63 - 2014-04-13 01:27:21 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
EVE ships are insured by Obama care. You get what you cheat for.
That makes no sense at all. How apt for you.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-04-13 04:44:43 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:
When the DC happened, my connection to the router was fine. I didn't lose connection to the Internet. Only the game, had... a hiccup.

the router isn't the server mate
Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-04-13 05:04:52 UTC
I would rephrase to "Give me a reason to stay logged in."
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#66 - 2014-04-13 09:44:49 UTC
Cpt Swagg wrote:
Look at the bright side, in League of Legends you get BANNED if you disconnet.

While in eve you just lose your stuff.


That's quite nasty!

I get a disconnect every 4-5 days, it means I am not going to ever try that game. Shocked

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#67 - 2014-04-13 09:59:54 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Sucks man. Sorry to hear about your loss. Last night as I was laying down watching my ship chew threw a battleship from across the room, I thought to myself, "what would I do if I fell asleep? Probably lose my ship. What would happen if I disconnected? Would my ship warp away or would it stand still and eventually die?"

I guess you kind of answered that question for me. But the one still remains, what would I do it if happened to me, not you?

Isn't that ship an investment from another player?
imo might be an idea to be at the helm of it.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-04-13 10:01:54 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Sucks man. Sorry to hear about your loss. Last night as I was laying down watching my ship chew threw a battleship from across the room, I thought to myself, "what would I do if I fell asleep? Probably lose my ship. What would happen if I disconnected? Would my ship warp away or would it stand still and eventually die?"

I guess you kind of answered that question for me. But the one still remains, what would I do it if happened to me, not you?

Isn't that ship an investment from another player?
imo might be an idea to be at the helm of it.


I already paid it back and have enough to replace it upon losing it.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#69 - 2014-04-13 14:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Maximum Entropy wrote:
What I will miss the most is EVE's awesome community of helpful and compassionate players.


Especially the forum-trolling ship spinners who may have actual complaints about the game, if they did something other than spin their ships. We all know bad things happen when you undock, it's much safer to not. But forum trolling is easy, fun and you get that attention that your father never gave you, which is nice.


But there are those of us who actually undock and do things in the game, and when we run into issues that really impact the gaming experience, like losing your best ISK making ship through no fault of your own, and not having it reimbursed like any other game in the MMO market would do, yea, we like to bring attention to it.




Whawhaa, I stopped reading this thread right at that post.
Go back to whatever MMO, ships loss is something that *does* happen in EVE. Clearly Eve is not for you where you win some and on occasions lose more.
It's a game where you're SUPPOSED to lose the ships you fly. Even if in your case it wasn't (partially) your fault, you petitioned, got a reply and now have to deal with it. Suck it up and move on, and stop acting like a big baby.

You're crying over INTERNETSPACEPIXELS, yes?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#70 - 2014-04-13 15:31:50 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:



Yea, I don't understand. The game is designed to warp me out if I get disconnected, but that obviously didn't happen. This is ridiculous.




This is yet another example of someone who didn't take the time to learn how the game works and is now mad at the game because of their own ignorance. Sadlly, this is all too common among the high sec PVE (except incursion runners) crowd because high sec pve (unlike PVP and PVE outside of high sec) doesn't expose players to real EVE game mechanics until a loss like this happens. At least high sec incursions expose players to some amount of danger that requires learning the mechanics.

If you fly a marauder, have your bastion module set to repeat, do not have a cap stable tank AND then you D/C, you will lose your ship unless you are able to log back in very quickly. The very very simple defense to this is a cap stable tank.

I've DC'd several times in my medium deadspace shield boosted Vargur (cap stable). At one point I remained disconnected for 30 minutes and was able to log back in and my ship was still there tanking the rats in Angel Pirate Invasion. 100 mil for a A pithum C type medium shield booster (or a medium or large C type armor repper on an armor tanked ship) is a small investment to save a billion isk ship.

Put the blame where it belongs, on your ignorance, not the game.


Jenn Awhine, as ever, blaming hi-sec folk, for, well stuff...



Josef DOUCHEgavillis, commenting about something he doesn't understand, as ever.

I enver blamed high sec people for anything, i commented that too many high sec pve people (except incursion runners) don't get to know the games mechanics because High Sec doesn't expose them to it unlike pvp (everywhere) and non-high sec pve. Sorry if that insults your highsec sensabilities lol.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#71 - 2014-04-13 15:46:10 UTC
You deserved what you got. I almost hope that CCP did deliberately murder your Vargur, as you claim. That would have been a beautifully trollish move on their part. All PVE Marauders deserve to die anyway, so no great loss.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#72 - 2014-04-13 16:23:49 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:
CCP won't reimburse my loss because they don't know why I lost connection with them. But they know I lost connection. They have a financial incentive to not reimburse, after all I could just be a sore loser. The accusation is that it was probably my fault. Well, anyone can make accusations.
CCP won't reimburse unless a server error caused the problem. That is and has always been their rules. If they changed the rules people could abuse the system by forcing disconnect when they know they might face trouble. Just FYI, posting of ticket responses on the forum is against the rules.

Either get over it or quit. Those are your only options. I don;t think anyone cares which you pick. that's not a troll, that's just the truth of the situation.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2014-04-13 16:31:13 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:



Yea, I don't understand. The game is designed to warp me out if I get disconnected, but that obviously didn't happen. This is ridiculous.




This is yet another example of someone who didn't take the time to learn how the game works and is now mad at the game because of their own ignorance. Sadlly, this is all too common among the high sec PVE (except incursion runners) crowd because high sec pve (unlike PVP and PVE outside of high sec) doesn't expose players to real EVE game mechanics until a loss like this happens. At least high sec incursions expose players to some amount of danger that requires learning the mechanics.

If you fly a marauder, have your bastion module set to repeat, do not have a cap stable tank AND then you D/C, you will lose your ship unless you are able to log back in very quickly. The very very simple defense to this is a cap stable tank.

I've DC'd several times in my medium deadspace shield boosted Vargur (cap stable). At one point I remained disconnected for 30 minutes and was able to log back in and my ship was still there tanking the rats in Angel Pirate Invasion. 100 mil for a A pithum C type medium shield booster (or a medium or large C type armor repper on an armor tanked ship) is a small investment to save a billion isk ship.

Put the blame where it belongs, on your ignorance, not the game.


Jenn Awhine, as ever, blaming hi-sec folk, for, well stuff...


She's right though it is highsec's fault and the only solution is to nerf highsec.

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Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-04-13 16:50:53 UTC
Blah blah obligatory dont fly what you cant afford to lose etc etc.

Man up.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#75 - 2014-04-13 16:52:09 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Sucks man. Sorry to hear about your loss. Last night as I was laying down watching my ship chew threw a battleship from across the room, I thought to myself, "what would I do if I fell asleep? Probably lose my ship. What would happen if I disconnected? Would my ship warp away or would it stand still and eventually die?"

I guess you kind of answered that question for me. But the one still remains, what would I do it if happened to me, not you?

Isn't that ship an investment from another player?
imo might be an idea to be at the helm of it.


I already paid it back and have enough to replace it upon losing it.

good man.

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-04-13 17:01:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Put the blame where it belongs, on your ignorance, not the game.

For most people, it's way better to blame others...

But I can't believe the OP thought he would get any sympathy or support here...
Dagar Bly
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-04-13 17:54:23 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:
Please give me a reason to login again.

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Nikolai Lachance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-04-13 18:41:15 UTC
I'm still trying to figure out what kind of terrible Marauder fit can't permatank an L4 where a large chunk of the DPS has already been removed from the field...
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#79 - 2014-04-13 18:59:31 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:
. . . after all I could just be a sore loser. . . .



Could be? As in, a hypothetical? You think maybe there's some chance that the jury is still out on that one?

Dude, it was a couple billion isk at the most. You can make it back in 15 minutes of real life work and buy a plex or two. Or you can get back in whatever ship you still have and get back out there and mine missions or whatever it is you were doing.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-04-13 19:21:00 UTC
I lost a 4 billion isk missioning ship because I was too lazy to click "show info" on a corp (well, I just forgot). **** happens. And realistically if you're not scrammed a marauder has plenty of time to warp out without dying.

I am actually very happy with their recent[?] changes to log off mechanics. That you recall drones, and your modules run til your cap is dead not just to the end of the cycle. If you're super lazy like me you can DC, and sit in your mission til the end of time because you have a cap stable tank rather than having a bigger tank and pulsing. All these new timers to stop you logging off to save your ship are really good game mechanics.

I somewhat agree insurance should be a little better for tech 2 hulls. That 4 bil ship I lost the payout was like 80mil. Didn't really send me leaping toward another did it?

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